Does ALIs refusal to go to vietnam?....

[Bigdaddy_Vh]

Ali was ducking a weight-drained Vietnam, fact.

yeah but was ali using PEDs at the time?

[The Hammer]

make him unpatriotic?......different circumstances..............................but the same in some aspects as well.........................

I think Muhammed Ali was mainly afraid of being killed.

And of course he was unpatriotic, he had no respect or regard for his country that had been so good to him.

[Calilloyd]

I think Muhammed Ali was mainly afraid of being killed.

And of course he was unpatriotic, he had no respect or regard for his country that had been so good to him.

Fun quotes from the board racist Carnivore:

Originally Posted by Carnivore
"Timothy Bradley will soon be in the top 10 p4p, because he's American and black.
Arthur Abraham and the Klitschkos deserve to be in the top 10 p4p, but they'll never make it there because they're European and white.

P4p is just an opinion anyway."



"Who has Bradley beaten?" Peterson was no more proven than Kevin Johnson. Holt isn't very good. Campbell was a NC."


More of the same quotes from Carnivore.

You mean someone who is opposed to racism and social injustice? That's who I am.

I have a dream. I dream that one day, top European boxers like the Klitschkos will be respected for their achievements, and receive the same respect and recognition as they would if they were African-Americans.

[quote=Carnivore;6963358]The media is positive about Pacquiao and Duran, so the sheeple are too. And they are not white, and that helps...

The media loves David Beckham because he's part ***ish.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I think Muhammed Ali was mainly afraid of being killed.

And of course he was unpatriotic, he had no respect or regard for his country that had been so good to him.

Carnivore...do you realize that Ali would never have seen battle? He wasnt afraid of being killed because he wasn't going to have to actually fight the Viet Cong, man...and the country was so good to him?? Carnivore, you don't seem to realize what this country allowed to happen to blacks in the southern states back when Ali was coming up...I respect everyone on the board, don't mean to offend anyone, but you don't know what you are talking about here, my man...

[The Hammer]

Carnivore...do you realize that Ali would never have seen battle? He wasnt afraid of being killed because he wasn't going to have to actually fight the Viet Cong, man...and the country was so good to him?? Carnivore, you don't seem to realize what this country allowed to happen to blacks in the southern states back when Ali was coming up...I respect everyone on the board, don't mean to offend anyone, but you don't know what you are talking about here, my man...

Perhaps, but if Gene Tunney and Joe Louis and others were willing to fight for their country, why not Ali?

Back in those days, there was prejudice against blacks in parts of the US, but Cassius Clay's family was not badly treated and had a comfortable middle-class income (let's not forget, he had white relatives as well as black).

America chose Cassius Clay to represent the US in the Olympics. The media was always very good to him and gave him a great deal of attention - he was a household name even before he fought Liston.

[Adamantium]

Ali was ducking a weight-drained Vietnam, fact.

It was also past prime as well.

[boxaholic]

Ali didn't support the war makes him unpatriotic and the Germans that didn't support hitler where hero's. By the way what did we benifet from the Vietnam war?

Get the f out of here.

Everything is a double standard with u bigots.

[ma51f]

Ali didn't support the war makes him unpatriotic and the Germans that didn't support hitler where hero's. By the way what did we benifet from the Vietnam war?

Get the f out of here.

Everything is a double standard with u bigots.

best post of the topic.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Perhaps, but if Gene Tunney and Joe Louis and others were willing to fight for their country, why not Ali?

Back in those days, there was prejudice against blacks in parts of the US, but Cassius Clay's family was not badly treated and had a comfortable middle-class income (let's not forget, he had white relatives as well as black).

America chose Cassius Clay to represent the US in the Olympics. The media was always very good to him and gave him a great deal of attention - he was a household name even before he fought Liston.

Because Joe Louis lived in DETROIT...not the south...Clay's family wasnt badly treated??? So living in a world when u absolutely cannot drink out of a public water fountain is OK with you?????? Come on, man...put yourself in his shoes....ANY southern black man's shoes...go to war, risk getting shot and killed to protect OTHER people's freedom?? I mean, you come back to Kentucky with one leg you will still have to deal with the southern white man's way of thinking and living life...and he was a household name because of HIM not because of any favors they did for him..and MANY media members refused to call him ALI...some of the posters forr the Frazier fight in 1971 listen him as Clay...YOU are talking here as a white man who would fight for freedom and thats fine...but I would never fault a man for not wanting to defend a country that allowed for his race to be forced to eat his hamburger in an alley somewhere rather than inside in a booth with the other people...

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

America chose Cassius Clay to represent the US in the Olympics. The media was always very good to him and gave him a great deal of attention - he was a household name even before he fought Liston.

ALSO, I went through the Olympic process myself in 1988...they didnt CHOOSE him, he had to qualify for the team, he had to MAKE the team...