Is Cotto already a Hall of Famer?

[dans]

no. in his 2 biggest wins, many people had mosley and clottey winning.

Saad Muhammed and Rosario never even beat anyone of Mosley's caliber. Controversial or not, they still count.

If you say no. I'm curious. Should Saad Muhammed, Edwin Rosario, and Terry Norris be in the HOF? I think I just look for some consistency on "who you let in, and who you don't".

[jkaisen41]

Rosario was never the man either. It's not required to be "the man" according to who's been voted in.

I don't know either like you say, but in comparing him with 3 guys that ARE in, he matches up just fine.

About Rosario I don't know like said... I never really followed him so I can't say...

I was surprised to see a guy like Terry Norris in even though he ruled his division... as he moved up his chin got badly exposed... not saying that this means you can't be in the Hall... Terry Norris was beautiful to watch but a Hall of Famer? I don't know how these cats judge *loooooooooooooool*

Like I said... I would have no problem with him in the Hall... he fought pretty much the best Welterweights of his time (more you can't do) and was competive with all of them, winning most of them... only Pacquiao outclassed him but that's no shame

[lakers24]

cottos a hyna

[Chrismart]

Personally, i see Cotto as a future Hall of Famer.
Very good fighter who has beat some big names in his division. Id say he deserves to be there. Just my opinion though.

[dans]

About Rosario I don't know like said... I never really followed him so I can't say...

I was surprised to see a guy like Terry Norris in even though he ruled his division... as he moved up his chin got badly exposed... not saying that this means you can't be in the Hall... Terry Norris was beautiful to watch but a Hall of Famer? I don't know how these cats judge *loooooooooooooool*

Like I said... I would have no problem with him in the Hall... he fought pretty much the best Welterweights of his time (more you can't do) and was competive with all of them, winning most of them... only Pacquiao outclassed him but that's no shame

To me, Norris actually has the strongest case of the 3 guys I mentioned. He was the man at 154 and defended his title 10 times beating some good fighters and a "past prime" SRL.

Rosario won some titles, but only has 3 successful defenses if I remember right.

Muhammed defended his title 8 times and beat some good fighters, but no one great. As soon as he fought a great, Qawi, his career was effectively over. Losing over 50% of his fights from then on. Muhammed finished his career with a less than sensational 39-16-3 record. But I've heard the arguement that he was never the same after Qawi. Okay, so if we say Qawi was his "last fight", Muhammed ended with a 32-4-2 record (theoretically). Having never beaten a great fighter.

[shade darkar]

Certainly this is debatable, but looking at Cotto against 3 other borderline HOFers, he certainly has a strong case.

I posted this in the "Boxing History" forum, but for a different topic:

If Saad Muhammed, Rosario, and Terry Norris are all HOFers, I don't see any reason why Miguel Cotto isn't one already. Do you agree?
What did these three above mentioned do that Cotto hasn't done?

Terry Norris is the only one of the 3 with a win over a HOFer (Leonard). Cotto has beaten a sure fire HOFer in Mosley.

Rosario won a LW title 3 times and a JWW title once. Cotto won a JWW title once, and a WW title twice.

Muhammed won a LHW title once and successfully defended it 8 times, Norris successfully defended his JMW title 10 times. Cotto successfully defended his JWW belt 6 times, then moved up to WW and won a belt, defending it 4 times before losing to Margarito.

So Cotto has won 3 world titles in 2 weight divisions, successfully defending his titles a total of 11 times. Only two losses, one against a ATG, and the other against a convicted cheater. And Cotto has a victory against a HOF fighter (Mosley), which only one of the previously mentioned 3 have.

If these 3 are HOFers, so is Cotto.

is he bollocks. whats cotto done to get him in the hall of fame? he has NEVER beaten a defending champion, he quit against margarito, then beat gomez and jennings (wooooow), struggled with clottey and took a beating of pacquiao. all he has got is a close win over mosley that could have gone either way. hes a decent person, and a decent fighter, but as i was telling all the stans pre pacquiao, "he aint all that". Even Ricky Fatton has achieved more in the game than cotto has.

[jkaisen41]

To me, Norris actually has the strongest case of the 3 guys I mentioned. He was the man at 154 and defended his title 10 times beating some good fighters and a "past prime" SRL.

Rosario won some titles, but only has 3 successful defenses if I remember right.

Muhammed defended his title 8 times and beat some good fighters, but no one great. As soon as he fought a great, Qawi, his career was effectively over. Losing over 50% of his fights from then on. Muhammed finished his career with a less than sensational 39-16-3 record. But I've heard the arguement that he was never the same after Qawi. Okay, so if we say Qawi was his "last fight", Muhammed ended with a 32-4-2 record (theoretically). Having never beaten a great fighter.

I'm not saying that he was bad you know... but if I think of Hall of Fame I don't think of Terry Norris... but probably HoF has simply a too high meaning for myself...

I think you can't base it on if somebody fought great fighters... because if there was no great fighter in your era in your division you already have no chance to be considered great... not every era has guys like Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran next to each other...

I think sometimes that not only records get you into it but also stories and what you did for your community or what you meant to your community... it's just a feeling I got...

[el malo]

they dont let quitters in tha hall of fame

Really? Last time I checked Roberto Duran made it in just fine.

[dans]

is he bollocks. whats cotto done to get him in the hall of fame? he has NEVER beaten a defending champion, he quit against margarito, then beat gomez and jennings (wooooow), struggled with clottey and took a beating of pacquiao. all he has got is a close win over mosley that could have gone either way. hes a decent person, and a decent fighter, but as i was telling all the stans pre pacquiao, "he aint all that". Even Ricky Fatton has achieved more in the game than cotto has.

You're missing my point. What did Saad Muhammed and Rosario do that makes them HOFers but not Cotto?

We have to judge them all the same way.

[dans]

I'm not saying that he was bad you know... but if I think of Hall of Fame I don't think of Terry Norris... but probably HoF has simply a too high meaning for myself...

I think you can't base it on if somebody fought great fighters... because if there was no great fighter in your era in your division you already have no chance to be considered great... not every era has guys like Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Duran next to each other...

I think sometimes that not only records get you into it but also stories and what you did for your community or what you meant to your community... it's just a feeling I got...

Fair enough. I'm just throwing this all out there for debate. From my point of view, if Norris, Rosario, and Muhammed are in the HOF, so should Cotto be. IMO Cotto has accomplished more than Rosario and Muhammed, and never had the lows that a guy like Norris had.