Greatest heavyweight ever...realistically?

[scapegoat09]

i'd go with Lennox Lewis imo, very intelligent fighter with power on both hands.

[Elroy1]

You meant Max Baer?

So all post-Ali champions had a better skill set then Louis?

Well, maybe not Foreman. But Foreman would have no doubt knocked him straight out anyway!

[tangalog2200]

By that I mean when you think about fights like Vitali KLitschko vs Ali you have to take into account the size disparity, aswell as styles making fights because I could see Klitschko having a much harder time against prime mike tyson than Ali would, breaking it down and taking into account alll the aspects that make a great fighter, who is THE greatest heavyweight of all time(the one that beats the most fighters and the most styles. nobody can beat everybody). I'll give mine after I see a few other pepoles


Note - don't just give a name, give reasoning on why a certain fighter could handle so many different styles and fighters which make him the greatest

ali, the greatest of all time....

the brightest star in and out of the ring....

[HedonisticFrog]

the amount of boxers on the planet today is a fraction of what it used to be. the sport has regressed. not all sports are the same, and they don't operate in a vacuum.



again, if you think today's HW are in better condition than HW from the 60's and 70's, you're a fool.

You think that because there are fewer boxers today(I'm not saying there are) they have worse conditioning? That's a non-sequitur if I ever saw one.

[Boxing Goat]

You meant Max Baer?

So all post-Ali champions had a better skill set then Louis?

I said Schmelling because he knocked out Louis, obviously.

And, no I wasn't saying they were more skilled but between their power, size and what skill they did possess, Louis would have been up against it to get a title in my opinion.

Louis to me, has the 2nd best heavyweight record all time but that was also a product of his time, etc. Max Baer was barely bigger than Roy Jones for crying out loud. He was also not skilled at all, he could just hit hard.

[Boxing Goat]

i'd go with Lennox Lewis imo, very intelligent fighter with power on both hands.

I think lennox is a great pick. Much more likely than Ali in H2H matchups in my opinion.

[billeau2]

A PUBLISHED AUTHOR you say??!?!?

What you posted wouldn't qualify as evidence under any definition of evidence I'm familiar with.

It doesn't seem like there would be any falsifiable methodology to count the total number of boxers in the world with varying licensing standards country to country and decade to decade -- he just needs to sell books.

If you find a serious source rather than a guy pumping his book and dropping a statistic neither you nor I actually believe I'd be interested. I would actually be interested in comparing the real numbers of fighters over the years.

you are such an idiot that you are amusing. So now your taking something you googled but hardly understand to refute an argument which you got owned in? Scientific methodology protocals, vis a vis attempting to falsify a hypothesis are experimental in nature and have nothing to do with an expert presenting credible statistics of the demographic variety. So go crawl back in Justin's annuuus where you belong.

The fact is that almost any boxing person is aware that despite more international presence there is a severe darth of talented trainers, there are other sports competing for talent that would, as New England has said, deplete boxers, not to mention MMA. And its not just trainers, its the whole absence of programs...when boxing was in its heyday most high schools and colleges had boxing teams. Live and learn babygurl

[billeau2]

Yes yes yes!!! boxers today have evolved so much they do not need skill sets anymore. They are big and conditioned to do damage in manner that all the old time guys would be crushed. Superior conditioning has made these fighters....quite superior! As a matter of fact the only reason why guys like vlad get winded is because they are fighting other superior, evolved humans...if they were fighting guys like Ali they would not even break a sweat.

The best fighter is Valuev. Given a few more opportunities and another growth spurt he would have been unstoppable.