Pacquiao is not GOAT: Coming from a Pacfan

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    #51
    Originally posted by Ray`
    If he beats Mayweather then he would be an ATG for me, If not his resume is questionable just like the others.
    Questionable? hahaha Pacman has NO FEAR! he's fought everyone!

    Barrera, Marquez, Morrales, Diaz*, ODLH**, Hatton, Cotto

    All of which are future hall of famers (except for Diaz *). ODLH was old and shot **.

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    • jrosales13
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      #52
      Originally posted by civicvx
      LOL...Floyd is bigger than Pac and he is not even thinking about stepping in the ring with any of those guys and you call him GOAT. PAC beat all those guys and he is only top 5 LOL.
      Show me when I called Floyd GOAT?

      Yes Pac beats all those he will be top 5. You have to add Pavlik at MW for the lineal for me to rank him top 3 ...

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        #53
        Originally posted by Ray`
        If he beats Mayweather then he would be an ATG for me, If not his resume is questionable just like the others.
        No Pac is alreadly an ATG.

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        • Blue Heffner
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          #54
          Originally posted by jrosales13
          For me to put Pac top 5 ATG. He would have to beat Floyd, Clottey, Berto, Collazo, Shane @147, Martinez, Dzinziruk, Angulo, Cintron, Spinks P-Will, Foreman @ 154 for me to consider him top 5.
          I totally agree and that **** isn't happening.

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          • mockingbird
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            #55
            Originally posted by jrosales13
            Pac is not top 10. I don't even consider Duran top 10 Let alone top 5.. How can you say Pac is easily top 10? Show me your top 10 list right now please...
            you just lost your credibility. theres no point arguing with you about this

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              #56
              Originally posted by jrosales13
              Yes top 30. And, that quite a compliment and a hell of an achievement. You know how many great fighters Pac ranks higher than my list? So don't act like I am insulting Pac. Especially since Pac is my favorite active fighters.


              care to give me your top 30

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              • mockingbird
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                #57
                Originally posted by fugu
                You cant possibly disagree can you?
                Do you seriously see a way for any fighter today to have the career Robinson had?
                Elaborate on your thoughts.

                Hopefully you are not ******ed enough to put Pacquiao as GOAT.
                because there are too many spoiled athletes today then theres no way we can have another robinson?

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by fugu
                  You cant possibly disagree can you?
                  Do you seriously see a way for any fighter today to have the career Robinson had?
                  Elaborate on your thoughts.

                  Hopefully you are not ******ed enough to put Pacquiao as GOAT.
                  fighters today cannot just do a robinson's simply because there are more factors now to prevent it, like promoters, managers handlers and even those regulating bodies that can stop a fight because of so soon a time between each fights that can pose dangers to health of the fighters. fighters in the early years fights on regular basis even on monthly or weekly basis because thats their source of living and theyre basically the ones choosing their opponents, the more known opponents they fight the more rewards but not as lucrative as today, they take it on the number of fights they can get themselves into its prizefighting really. now i think i can call it bounty hunting, choose the ones with bigger bounty on their heads. but the system still works by the way but in the underground or in the small time arenas. young fighters amassed so many fights in their records because they fight frequently, thats the only way they can earn their wage.

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                  • HaglerSteelChin
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                    #59
                    I think pac is somewhere in the top 25 on my list and can go much higher if he beats Mayweather. People must realize boxing goes back over a 100 years and there are so many divisions and to be top 50; let alone top 25 is a huge feat.

                    Sugar Ray Leonard is not even top 10 in many people's all time list. Yet look at his resume vs Pac. Pac never gave Morales, DLH, Hatton, Barreras, Cotto their first defeat. Yet Sugar Ray Leonard was the first to beat Benitez, Hearns, Kalule. He also beat Duran when Duran was 72-1 and gave Hagler his first loss in 11 years. Look at the major height and reach advantage Lalonde had over SRL; yet leonard still won the LHW title. People kept sayin Cotto is much bigger than Pac but i told people in YT that they have almost same height and same reach.

                    I am not taking away from Pac but putting things in perspective. In addition, there was no catchweights with SRL.

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                    • BennyST
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by mockingbird
                      hoya- pacs tenth weight class, coming in this fight, 95% of pacs fight was fought at sfw and below. 80% at superbantam and below
                      hatton- pacs 9th weight class. lineal title
                      cotto- pacs 10th weight class, a true welterweight champ. probably the biggest and strongest among the 147 guys

                      four lineal titles, 7 titles all in a span of ten divisions

                      barrera, hofer, 2x
                      morales, hofer 2x
                      jmm, hofer, 1-0-1

                      that doesnt count for something?

                      maybe durans win over barkley at 160, which was durans 9th weight class, doesnt count for anything either? perhaps. it was an SD
                      Well, this is kind of a good example of what I'm talking about. When Pac fought Oscar he was the smaller guy but he was also the faster, younger, prime guy and he wasn't that much smaller. A fair bit but when the guy you're facing hasn't made the weight in a decade etc etc.

                      In that fight though Duran was forty years old facing a guy at his peak that was a decade younger, at his best weight, stronger, fitter, but also a hell of a lot bigger. Duran was the same size as Pac and he fought a really big middleweight at his peak. It would similar to an old Pac facing someone like a young, prime Pavlik or something (though Barkley was much better than Pavlik, but you know what I mean).

                      Also, Cotto is not even close to the biggest and strongest at 147. In fact, one reason they picked him was because he is the smallest WW champ, being the same size as Pac too. Both 5'6 1/2"-5'7" with the same reach. As for strength, yes, Cotto is strong but he got thrown around by Marg, shoved and backed up by Clottey and wouldn't have nearly the strength of Mosley who would be probably the strongest of the lot. Cotto as a big strong dude is a fallacy. He is a small WW and only has normal strength for a WW. He was very strong at 140 and an average size there (wasn't even big at 140) but not at 147.

                      Consider how Mosley tossed Margarito around like he did. Shoved him back, wrestled with him, pushed him around and backed him up etc. Marg did the opposite to Cotto. Used his strength and height to batter him.

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