Pacquiao is not GOAT: Coming from a Pacfan

[BennyST]

omg! when does this end?? maybe u should investigate other great boxers who are long dead, find out if their opponents are in their prime or not....its like accusing Pac of steroids while the other past greats are not...jezz give the man his due he deserves

I have and do. I enjoy the sport of boxing. The whole history of it and I take every boxer as they are. I don't favour one because I like him more. As always though, you say one thing and people see something else.

Like I said in the previous post, it isn't a dig at Pac. I do give him his due. I think he's probably the greatest of this era now. After the Cotto win it's very hard to suggest anyone else could be. What he has done is amazing.

We are talking about every fighter that has ever fought though. This discussion is about Pacquiao being the GOAT. He is an ATG and one of the very best of our time, if not the best, but what he's done is not enough to consider him close to the GOAT.

[mockingbird]

Well, this is kind of a good example of what I'm talking about. When Pac fought Oscar he was the smaller guy but he was also the faster, younger, prime guy and he wasn't that much smaller. A fair bit but when the guy you're facing hasn't made the weight in a decade etc etc.

In that fight though Duran was forty years old facing a guy at his peak that was a decade younger, at his best weight, stronger, fitter, but also a hell of a lot bigger. Duran was the same size as Pac and he fought a really big middleweight at his peak. It would similar to an old Pac facing someone like a young, prime Pavlik or something (though Barkley was much better than Pavlik, but you know what I mean).

youre missing the point here. duran has had time to adjust his body to the middleweight class by consistently fighting enough fights at each division stops.

the fact that pac has only fought once at 135 and hasnt even gone thru junior welterweight yet tells us that his feat DESTROYING hoya was in itself a feat that rivals (of probably even tops) that of durans besting barkley at 160. add to this the fact that it was pacs tenth weight class and it was only durans 9th weigh class. Unless of course jumping weight classes and destroying greats doesnt mean anything to you

Also, Cotto is not even close to the biggest and strongest at 147. In fact, one reason they picked him was because he is the smallest WW champ, being the same size as Pac too. Both 5'6 1/2"-5'7" with the same reach. As for strength, yes, Cotto is strong but he got thrown around by Marg, shoved and backed up by Clottey and wouldn't have nearly the strength of Mosley who would be probably the strongest of the lot. Cotto as a big strong dude is a fallacy. He is a small WW and only has normal strength for a WW. He was very strong at 140 and an average size there (wasn't even big at 140) but not at 147.

ill respect your opinion here but its bs imo

Consider how Mosley tossed Margarito around like he did. Shoved him back, wrestled with him, pushed him around and backed him up etc. Marg did the opposite to Cotto. Used his strength and height to batter him.

so because marg shoved cotto back and wrestled with him means hes bigger and stronger than cotto? going by that argument, then pac must be bigger than cotto and hoya.

consider these points 1) cotto has fought the wrogn fight, allowing marg to come to him and dictate the fight, 2) marg has a solid whiskers and going flat footed with him is suicide 3) the plaster issue?

[BrushMyCage]

who gives a sht about that pacfan

[mockingbird]

who gives a sht about that pacfan

everybody who give a **** about boxing

[fugu]

because there are too many spoiled athletes today then theres no way we can have another robinson?

The way the sport is done today compared to Robinsons days, no i doubt we could see someone with a career like Robinson.
Fighters are spoiled and i dont think it would be medically allowed.

[jrosales13]

you just lost your credibility. theres no point arguing with you about this

Explain please?

[jrosales13]

care to give me your top 30

Yea sure no problem. Here it is...

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Sam Langford
7. Willie Pep
8. Benny Leonard
9. Joe Gans
10. Jack Johnson
11. Ezzard Charles
12. Roberto Duran
13. Bob Fitzsimmons
14. Ray Leonard
15. Gene Tunney
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Barney Ross
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Julio Cesar Chavez
20. Archie Moore
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Sandy Saddler
23. Mickey Walker
24. Jimmy McClarnin
25. Ike Williams
26. "Barbados" Joe Walcott
27. George Dixon
28. Manny Pacquiao
29. Salvador Sanchez
30. Jack Dempsey