if Pac beats Mayweather and retires, is he automatically on the top 5 GOAT list?

[S A M U R A I]

He will be... but not now, it'll take a lot of years before his boxing career is rated as an ATG IMO.

He is already highly rated as an ATG, the question is where should he be placed.



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[Blue Heffner]

Top 5, no, top 10, no. Top 20 or 30 maybe. Everything has to be looked at after he retires.

[cherokee]

even if manny loses to floyd. I would still rate pacman higher than money may. the pretty boy has got talent and skills but in the end, Greatness is measured by ones accomplishments and not by technical knowhow

manny may not have the zero like floyd has but he was able to bounce back from every defeat. that to me is one hell of a fighting spirit

Manny Pacquiao all the way!

[MANGLER]

No he is not.

[JAB5239]

You should know what I mean. Kessler looked nervous before the fight with Ward, and I think you can a differnce in the eyes. You ain't disrespecting me, this is a conversation or discussion call it whatever you want. I've followed Kessler since he started as a prof fighter, and have seen many of his fights live.

Let's see what happens. I don't consider any of them an ATG, but I think one of them may end up reaching that status.

I don't think the look in his eyes was a result of Calzaghe taking anything out of him, but because he was fighting in the US for only the second time (the other nearly 10 years ago) against an excellent fighter and in his hometown. Of cours this is just my opinion.

[SN!PER]

I don't think any boxers in this era could get top 10 of all time, they don't fight as much as the old guys did. It's more about money now, and less about legacy.

[Journeyman]

the main thing i wanted to bring up was, back when pacquiao was really starting to make noise among boxing fans and not the casual public was when he beat barrera in san antonio, and started beating up mexicans who pretty much owned 122-130. i dont think even his biggest supporters imagined him going up in weight the way he did, not only being competitive but knocking everybody out.

i think somebody said earlier that mayweather is pretty much the perfect final exam. absolutely correct. if pac can beat a fighter much bigger than him naturally, and who is our generation's shining example of a perfect textbook boxer, then he has more than just a good argument for all time greatest status. and it doesnt hurt him that he is THE asian boxer who represents all of their history in this sport.

[Bhopreign]

the main thing i wanted to bring up was, back when pacquiao was really starting to make noise among boxing fans and not the casual public was when he beat barrera in san antonio, and started beating up mexicans who pretty much owned 122-130. i dont think even his biggest supporters imagined him going up in weight the way he did, not only being competitive but knocking everybody out.

i think somebody said earlier that mayweather is pretty much the perfect final exam. absolutely correct. if pac can beat a fighter much bigger than him naturally, and who is our generation's shining example of a perfect textbook boxer, then he has more than just a good argument for all time greatest status. and it doesnt hurt him that he is THE asian boxer who represents all of their history in this sport.

Floyd isnt much bigger than him naturally.

[Journeyman]

the thing about the weight difference is, floyds been at 150 for all his latest few fights and pac's been moving up one by one and chopping everybody down...unprecedented on the highest professional level in memory

damn manny came and highjacked the rest of the 2000-2010 century from everybody...(01 lebwaba)

[whirlwind]

One thing for sure! Pacman will put higher by the boxing historians on atg status than Floyd even if he loses on their fight. Deal with it *****s! Pac beats many HOF boxers in a dominating fashion than the cherrypicker.
Hall of Fame boxers beaten by Pac mostly in dominating fashion prime or not. They still better than mostly Floyd fought.
Barrera I & II (HOF)
Morales II & III (HOF)
JMM II (HOF)
DLH tko8 (HOF) >>>>> Floyd close disicion
Hatton ko2 (HOF?)>>> ko10
Cotto tko12 (HOF?)>>> avoided by Floyd