Is Marquez a ATG?

[-Boxzilla-]

someone started this thread with an agenda

[Third Degree MM]

I Say Barrera Outboxes him.

And Morales Knocks him down 2-3 times throughout the fight possible TKO mid-late rounds.

But Marquez wouldn't let them take his heart. I just haven't seen Anything that he could do that could beat Morales or Barrera in their PRIMES. Barrera beat him IN MY EYES. Barreras Jab was eating Marquez up.

come on man Marquez the guy that has never been stopped, wasn't stopped by the most skilled Boxer of the decade 3 weights divisions above his best, would get stopped by Morales? Morales wasn't even a Great puncher. Quit the bull****, that fight would have been ferocious. not saying Marquez would win, but it would be close.

[dde91]

ha! come on are you ****ing with me?, i just said even with the KD's Marquez WON, i'm not the only one who saw it that way, its clear that many saw Marquez winning the 1st and 2nd.

[QUOTE=without the KDs, that fight would have been schooling.[/QUOTE]


you said WITHOUT the KD's the fight would have been a complete schooling. But he STILL got KD, thats what im saying. ANd it wasn't a complete schooling. Schooling sombody is like Barrera-Naz, Hopkins-Pavlik, Hopkins-Trinidad, Mosley-Margarito. And Marquez-Pacquiao was nothing like those. Pacquiao didn't get a COMPLETE SCHOOLING. He lost most the rounds but still was in the fight every second.

[dde91]

come on man Marquez the guy that has never been stopped, wasn't stopped by the most skilled Boxer of the decade 3 weights divisions above his best, would get stopped by Morales? Morales wasn't even a Great puncher. Quit the bull****, that fight would have been ferocious. not saying Marquez would win, but it would be close.

I mean who has Marquez beat at featherweight to tell me that he could beat Morales????? the only thing that i could say is (HE ALMOST BEAT PACQUIAO) Marquez is a great fighter, but not a Legend.

[Third Degree MM]

i just feel that he Morales and Barrera did more in/for boxing then Marquez and thats what makes them higher on my list. (Plus i think they would beat Marquez prime for prime) i mean when is Marquez prime exactly??

oh definitely, both Morales and Barrera have a deeper resumes, thats why they went downhill so soon, i rank both higher not by a mile, but i rate them higher. Marquez's prime was probably at 126, 130 and he kept it to 135, he did KO the top two lightweights, Casa and Juan Diaz were much more dangerous opponents than David Diaz, Morales got derailed at 135, so did Marco(yea both were falling by the time they go there), but Marquez became the #1 lightweight. Then went all they way up to 147 to fight an ATG in skills, and lasted 12 rounds when others don't.

my personal favorite out of the 3 is Morales, but i have to give Marquez props i cant let my emotions get in the way.

[myCoCainE]

I think marquez is a bit overrated. He lost to pacquiao, john, norwood, struggled with an old barrera, almost lost to juan diaz, beat an old casamayor. I'm not gonna mention about the mayweather fight because we all know that is a sham anyway. So his overall status in history is going to be based on close losses and close wins. He is highly regarded by boxing fans because of his close fights with pacquiao and that is the highlight of his career, but the fact is he still lost.

[Third Degree MM]

I mean who has Marquez beat at featherweight to tell me that he could beat Morales????? the only thing that i could say is (HE ALMOST BEAT PACQUIAO) Marquez is a great fighter, but not a Legend.

don't forget the fight against John a very skilled fighter.
not a legend? wtf currently the best Mexican fighter, while the other faded into obscurity, of coarse his a legend, he will be remembered as the guy that has two classic fights with the Great Pacquiao. and he is still isn't done, not at his best but h'e not done yet.

[Third Degree MM]

I think marquez is a bit overrated. He lost to pacquiao, john, norwood, struggled with an old barrera, almost lost to juan diaz, beat an old casamayor. I'm not gonna mention about the mayweather fight because we all know that is a sham anyway. So his overall status in history is going to be based on close losses and close wins. He is highly regarded by boxing fans because of his close fights with pacquiao and that is the highlight of his career, but the fact is he still lost.

you people don't appreciate fighters, pretty sad actually.

[FasTHarD]

i say he is better than morales and barrera so i would say he is atg

**** he'll never be better than any of those two greats. Never. You could never be an ATG with a draw against the Pacman, past primed Barrera, a win over shot Casa, and an exposed Diaz.

[Third Degree MM]

you said WITHOUT the KD's the fight would have been a complete schooling. But he STILL got KD, thats what im saying. ANd it wasn't a complete schooling. Schooling sombody is like Barrera-Naz, Hopkins-Pavlik, Hopkins-Trinidad, Mosley-Margarito. And Marquez-Pacquiao was nothing like those. Pacquiao didn't get a COMPLETE SCHOOLING. He lost most the rounds but still was in the fight every second.

it all depends on what you consider schooling.