Is Marquez a ATG?

[Third Degree MM]

i'm aware of that, but you have to understand a fight at 126, 4 years earlier would have been a close fight, remember, he arguably beat the that had just destroyed Barrera in his prime, and i know styles make fights, but you'd have to be a fool to assume Barrera would have just walk through JMM with no problem.

[MARKBNLV]

He was very good fighter in this era but all time great no way i mean a prime barrera or morales would crush him.

[Third Degree MM]

They were Close, but if you know what KNOCKDOWNs make 10-8 rounds, then you would know that Pac won pretty convincingly in both fights.

I think in the first fight i scored 7 rounds to 5 for Marquez but the Knockdown made Pacquiao win 113-112 with the KNOCKDOWNS making Pac Man win. If he would have stood on his feet, then he would have won Obviously

In the Second fight i scored it 6 rounds even with the KNOCKDOWN making Pac win

So Marquez won 13 out of 24 rounds within both fights, BUT Pacquiao Scored MORE points on my cards then Marquez. I mean it aint hard to score the fights. GOSH

well thats you, Marquez won 15 rounds out of the 24, thats how i saw it,
in 1st fight, pac won the 1st round obviously, the 2nd was close, after that manny only won 1 round 2 other's were very close, JMM counter the **** out of him. you mutha****ers act as if manny won that fight clearly, without the KDs, that fight would have been schooling.

[Heru]

If an ATG is top 100 of all time, JMM sneaks in.

[Third Degree MM]

He was very good fighter in this era but all time great no way i mean a prime barrera or morales would crush him.

see this is the type of bull**** that makes me laugh, Marquez would give them hell at 126, at 130, and would KO them at 135(i know their 135 resume is ****), but you people just count him out like that ha!

don't get me wrong, i rate Barrera and Morales ahead due to their Resumes, but in a Head 2 Head, Prime 4 Prime fight they're pretty even.

[dde91]

He was very good fighter in this era but all time great no way i mean a prime barrera or morales would crush him.

I Say Barrera Outboxes him.

And Morales Knocks him down 2-3 times throughout the fight possible TKO mid-late rounds.

But Marquez wouldn't let them take his heart. I just haven't seen Anything that he could do that could beat Morales or Barrera in their PRIMES. Barrera beat him IN MY EYES. Barreras Jab was eating Marquez up.

[dde91]

well thats you, Marquez won 15 rounds out of the 24, thats how i saw it,
in 1st fight, pac won the 1st round obviously, the 2nd was close, after that manny only won 1 round 2 other's were very close, JMM counter the **** out of him. you mutha****ers act as if manny won that fight clearly, without the KDs, that fight would have been schooling.

and thats the problem, HE DID GET KNOCKDOWN so thats why he SHOULD HAVE LOST. I just said he WOn most of the rounds easily with Countering. IF he would have stayed on his feet he would have WON easily. BUT HE DIDN't.

Thats like Saying if Michael Moorer didn't get knocked out by Foreman, then he would have won.. WELL HELLO he still got KTFO just like Marquez still got KD.

[Third Degree MM]

Definetely NOT ATG.....but HOFer YES

JMM DID NOT win over Pac....but lets assume he did, my next question is
is Buster Douglas a top 100 boxer just because he KTFO Iron Mike?

of course not....

look my problem is not if you rank him, atg or not, my problem is that you people automatically count him out against Morales and Barrera, complete bull****.

[Third Degree MM]

and thats the problem, HE DID GET KNOCKDOWN so thats why he SHOULD HAVE LOST. I just said he WOn most of the rounds easily with Countering. IF he would have stayed on his feet he would have WON easily. BUT HE DIDN't.

Thats like Saying if Michael Moorer didn't get knocked out by Foreman, then he would have won.. WELL HELLO he still got KTFO just like Marquez still got KD.

ha! come on are you ****ing with me?, i just said even with the KD's Marquez WON, i'm not the only one who saw it that way, its clear that many saw Marquez winning the 1st and 2nd.

[dde91]

look my problem is not if you rank him, atg or not, my problem is that you people automatically count him out against Morales and Barrera, complete bull****.

i just feel that he Morales and Barrera did more in/for boxing then Marquez and thats what makes them higher on my list. (Plus i think they would beat Marquez prime for prime) i mean when is Marquez prime exactly??