Roy Jones Jr. The ducks he made at supermiddleweight.

[TheGreatA]

I don't understand what's the problem. Roy fought Hill, a tough fight at the time. I am pretty sure that he wasn't involved in the Rocchigiani problem.

This discussion is not realistic IMO. If I wish i fight that didn't happen I would say "Roy - Darius". And we are discussing about graciano. Come on

He could have fought Hill when Hill was actually champ, not when Hill was coming off a decisive loss to Michalczewski.

If you don't get what's wrong with the whole ordeal then I'm not sure what to say. Let's imagine that Dawson vacates his LHW title to move up to fight Wladimir Klitschko while in the meanwhile Tavoris Cloud for example wins that light heavyweight title. Dawson gets second thoughts about facing Klitschko, decides to come back to LHW a year later and is presented his title back while Cloud is left with nothing. That's basically what happened.

You can say that Roy would have easily won and that no one would rate those victories anyway but there's two people Roy could have easily fought, Nunn and Rocchigiani, yet he didn't.

[Dynamite Kid]

It's nice to see everyone sticking the knife into Roy the day after he's KO'd into retirement and taking shots at his legacy.

I hate you all.

It is strange. I mean whats changed about the guys he beat from yesterday to today?

[$partacus]

No, because history says so. Find one credible person who thinks Eubank was better than Toney or Hopkins and get back to me.

Most people thought even this Roy would beat Green, just because people think Toney would beat Eubank doesn't mean he would.

[blaze778]

How do we know that?

Because Americans say so?

Because the world says so. Every country that knows boxing knows Hopkins. Eubanks and Benn are only in big with Europeans and hardcore American fans.

[Kris Silver]

Here you go mate:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...eweight--1990s

The 1997 and 1998 rankings are note worthy, a certain somebody faced way more top ranked SMW's...Tate cancelled if I'm not mistaken, and he wanted Ottke.

[$partacus]

Because the world says so. Every country that knows boxing knows Hopkins. Eubanks and Benn are only in big with Europeans and hardcore American fans.

That's because America is ignorant, i've seen old threads on this forum and Americans didn't even know who Calzaghe was before fighting Lacy.

[Iceta]

Roy Jones was a cherry picker in his hey day. He even was after he lost. Lacy and Tito are opportunistic fights. Danny Green was a step up, but not a devastating killer either and Roy got waxed by him.

[blaze778]

That's because America is ignorant, i've seen old threads on this forum and Americans didn't even know who Calzaghe was before fighting Lacy.

There's a lot ignorance on this forum as it is. A lot people still don't know Calzaghe. I know about Benn and Eubanks, but I only heard of Calzaghe's name after he beat Eubanks who was on the downhill and really knew about him till after the Lacy fight. But let's face the facts, Calzaghe never did **** before the Lacy fight, which is why American never heard of him. Now it's apparent that he didn't really much after the Lacy fight either.

BTW, I am an American. Boxing is not that big here to begin with these days. Americans have little support for their own fighters, so don't be surprised if the casual American fan doesn't know Calzaghe. But if someone on a boxing forum doesn't know Calzaghe, they are definitely ignorant.

[Lead Cenobite]

I kind of agree, but Jones fan's are the worst, slating Calzaghe 24/7, i'm sure they will be back to doing that soon, so Jones can take some grief for a day or 2

Ah, a Joe fan. Your comments can safely be ignored.

[blaze778]

Ah, a Joe fan. Your comments can safely be ignored.

Love your avatar and sig. Ahhhhhhhhhhh the suffering The sweet, sweet suffering........