Roy Jones Jr. The ducks he made at supermiddleweight.

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Plenty of quotes?? I've only seen a quote where calzaghe states that he wants to get paid well in order to go and fight jones, nothing else along those lines. If the quotes are there i want to see them.

On the other hand i can find plenty of examples over the years of calzaghe telling people he wants the big fights most of all. Remember, jones was at LHW for all of calzaghes career at 168 plus calzaghe seemed to be reluctant to move out of wales unless the offer was amazing, like he says himself in that quote. Calzaghe wanted jones but he wanted him in wales. By the end of his career that had changed and jones was much less of a threat.

As for collins, anybody who knows anything about his career knows the fight he craved the most was jones, i dont care what a commentator says. I believe what collins says not some gossip on hbo.

WHy did he want to get paid? For doing what? For fighting David ****ing Starie and the Sakio Bikas of the world for 10 years in his backyard with defending a TRINKET BELT?

You believe Collins but not Roy or HBO? Can you say nuthugger. Any fighter can say they WANT to fight any other fighter. What are they DOING about it.

Collins wasn't very great and through his actions didn't want it all that bad. **** his lame ass whiny interviews.

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WHy did he want to get paid? For doing what? For fighting David ****ing Starie and the Sakio Bikas of the world for 10 years in his backyard with defending a TRINKET BELT?

You believe Collins but not Roy or HBO? Can you say nuthugger. Any fighter can say they WANT to fight any other fighter. What are they DOING about it.

Collins wasn't very great and through his actions didn't want it all that bad. **** his lame ass whiny interviews.

cough cough

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WHy did he want to get paid? For doing what? For fighting David ****ing Starie and the Sakio Bikas of the world for 10 years in his backyard with defending a TRINKET BELT?

You believe Collins but not Roy or HBO? Can you say nuthugger. Any fighter can say they WANT to fight any other fighter. What are they DOING about it.

Collins wasn't very great and through his actions didn't want it all that bad. **** his lame ass whiny interviews.

You are difinitely hard of learning. There was nobody of any note apart from ottke that calzaghe didnt fight at SMW and that was down to ottke himself. There was NOONE ELSE TO FIGHT at SMW. At the end of the day it was calzaghe who correct me if im wrong held all the belts including the ring belt after the bunch of guys who had no interest in unification bouts got lost. Calzaghe cant force the likes of mundine, ottke, lucas, sanavia etc into the ring with him.

I believe collins over what roy said?? Tell me what exactly did roy say about collins then??

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I know collins didnt match up in terms of skills with benn or eubank but he beat them because of mental toughness being ready to die or take lifes in the ring goes a long way in the boxing game and for anyone to say eubank or benn deserved a shot at jones before collins is just laughable...

Collins beat them because they were old mate, sorry to tell you.

[Earl-Hickey]

Toney ducks no one and had been openly calling for a fight with Eubank for ages. Eubank knew it was a fight he would most probably lose and could avoid so he didn't take it. Why fight Toney and risk losing, when you can fight bum mandatories instead.
Im sure HBO would of been more interested in a Collins fight then some of the other fights Jones had at smw.

Toney called out Eubank, Eubank said make the fight and Toney went into hiding.

Toney vs Vitali in 2010 please, Toney to get what he deserves.

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I did a little research on Roy Jones Jr. and the opposition he fought as a SMW.

Jones was in essense fighting in the 168 lb division from 1993 until 1996.

Keys:

RED = Eventually fought them or fought them already
BLUE = Fought them in that year.

The year end rankings of 1992 looked like this:

1: Michael Nunn
2: Iran Barkley
3: Chris Eubank
4: Victor Cordoba
5: Nigel Benn
6: Tim Littles
7: Darrin Van Horn
8: Tony Thornton
9: Frankie Liles
10: Frank Nicotra

He fought Thornton in 1995.

1993:

1: James Toney
2: Michael Nunn
3: Chris Eubank
4: Nigel Benn
5: Tim Littles
6: Darrin Van Horn
7: Frankie Liles
8: Tony Thornton
9: Antoine Byrd
10: Vincenzo Nardiello


1994: Jones enters the list at no. 1 after beating Toney.

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Nigel Benn
3: Chris Eubank
4: Frankie Liles
5: Vinny Pazienza
6: Tim Littles
7: Michael Nunn
8: Ray Close
9: Graciano Rocchigiani
10: Antoine Byrd


1995:

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Nigel Benn
3: Steve Collins
4: Frankie Liles
5: Tim Littles
6: Vinny Pazienza
7: Bryant Brannon
8: Henry Wharton
9: Michael Nunn
10: Ray Close


1996:

1: Roy Jones Jr.
2: Frankie Liles
3: Steve Collins
4: Vinny Pazienza
5: Robin Reid
6: Henry Wharton
7: Michael Nunn
8: Vincenzo Nardiello
9: Joseph Kiwanuka
10: Thulani Malinga

At the end of 1996 Jones had moved up.

So Jones work after 4 years at 168 lb consist of an excellent win over Toney and not much else:

Toney
Thornton
Pazienza (LOL)
Byrd
Brannon

Jones never fought a top 3 opponent after Toney. He had 6 fights at 168 after beating him. Of those fights he beat an unranked Thornton, a suspected juiced lightweight in Pazienza, a past it Byrd, a never was in Sosa, a young non-threat in Lucas and a veteran of 16 fights in Brannon.


So the deserving fighters Jones didn't fight (or ducked as it's called on NSB) is these guys:

Nunn
Benn
Eubank
Collins
Barkley
Cordoba
Littles
Van Horn
Liles
Nardiello
Close
Rocchigianni
Nicotra


Let's face it. A Nunn or a Benn or a Eubank or a Liles or even a Collins would have been real nice.

(I hope I didn't miss anyone )

Floyd does the same!!! So i think Floyd's career will end up like RJJ. When Floyd starts taking the best, you will see a string of KO loses.

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WHy did he want to get paid? For doing what? For fighting David ****ing Starie and the Sakio Bikas of the world for 10 years in his backyard with defending a TRINKET BELT?

You believe Collins but not Roy or HBO? Can you say nuthugger. Any fighter can say they WANT to fight any other fighter. What are they DOING about it.

Collins wasn't very great and through his actions didn't want it all that bad. **** his lame ass whiny interviews.

I didn't even bother to respond to the SMASH guy. We're supposed to take his links seriously because JOE CALZAGHE says so.

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collins beat them because they were old mate, sorry to tell you.

reality check

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Floyd does the same!!! So i think Floyd's career will end up like RJJ. When Floyd starts taking the best, you will see a string of KO loses.

Promise you'll be here and not hide when Floyd destroys Pac.

[Smash]

I didn't even bother to respond to the SMASH guy. We're supposed to take his links seriously because JOE CALZAGHE says so.

Its not my problem if you say there is plenty of evidence to support the theory that calzaghe ducked jones but cant provide it, its yours

If you dont like the arguement im making then just ignore me instead of indirectly making snippy little remarks