Why i wont give Mayweather props if he does beat Manny

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  • Dynamite Kid
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    #101
    Originally posted by Easy-E
    its seems as though you are valuing your opinion more highly than the boxing public, who WILL give Floyd credit for beating Manny, becasue he deserves it.
    Originally posted by pugay_kamay
    Yeah, I agree with you.

    But isn't MAB lost to Jones? And where JMM would be against these 2?

    Not really, maybe you have trouble reading? I already said in my OP that i dont expect other people to subscribe to my point of view, so again WTF are still doing in here?

    Yeah i forgot about the JMM loss, but yeah that is the principle behind it, that some people seem to think that because Morales has a better resume that he should be ranked higher regardless of head to head battle.

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      #102
      Originally posted by mitruth
      I dont take issue with someone making the arguement that they feel Manny still has better legacy even if he loses to Floyd. I do take issue though with the idea Floyd doesnt get as much much props. People make the arguement that he doesnt fight the best. Well Manny is not only the best but also the most dangerous challenge out there physically. Whoever wins should get mad props. I can see Mayweather going 12 with mosley without taking his best shot, im not so sure that can happen against pac. And if it does that alone deserves props. Anyone who can beat a history making ATG in his prime should get massive props even if your last name is Mayweather.
      Floyd will get his props of course. BUT...

      Ali lost to Frazier, does Frazier ranked higher against Ali in ATG?

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        #103
        Originally posted by mitruth
        I dont take issue with someone making the arguement that they feel Manny still has better legacy even if he loses to Floyd. I do take issue though with the idea Floyd doesnt get as much much props. People make the arguement that he doesnt fight the best. Well Manny is not only the best but also the most dangerous challenge out there physically. Whoever wins should get mad props. I can see Mayweather going 12 with mosley without taking his best shot, im not so sure that can happen against pac. And if it does that alone deserves props. Anyone who can beat a history making ATG in his prime should get massive props even if your last name is Mayweather.

        The only props i deny him is the one that undeservedly puts him above Pacquiao historically because of a head to head match up. If Mayweather beats Pac and adds a 1/2 more credible wins then ..........

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          #104
          Originally posted by pugay_kamay
          Floyd will get his props of course. BUT...

          Ali lost to Frazier, does Frazier ranked higher against Ali in ATG?
          U do know Ali also beat Fraiser twice right?

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            #105
            Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
            Not really, maybe you have trouble reading? I already said in my OP that i dont expect other people to subscribe to my point of view, so again WTF are still doing in here?

            Yeah i forgot about the JMM loss, but yeah that is the principle behind it, that some people seem to think that because Morales has a better resume that he should be ranked higher regardless of head to head battle.
            Ok, this is getting interesting... with the WWs we have, I will tag Pac since he just came in @ WW

            Shane
            Cotto
            Magr
            Floyd
            Clottey
            Pac ***

            Using the same concept of resume & head-to-head, for me Shane is on the TOP. How about you?

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              #106
              Originally posted by mitruth
              U do know Ali also beat Fraiser twice right?
              Yeah I know, so do you get my point?

              Ali lost to Holmes, does holmes ranked higher than Ali?

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                #107
                Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
                The only props i deny him is the one that undeservedly puts him above Pacquiao historically because of a head to head match up. If Mayweather beats Pac and adds a 1/2 more credible wins then ..........
                Thats why i said i take no issue with opinions on legacy. They vary. But the winner of that fight should get massive props. Mayweather has accomplished more than some give him credit for and after he is gone I have a feeling he will be looked upon more favorably. Manny in my minds is maybe in the top 25 all time so to have a win over him in his prime would have to give someone props and add to overall legacy.

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                  #108
                  Originally posted by mitruth
                  U do know Ali also beat Fraiser twice right?
                  Duran lost to Hearns, does Hearns ranked higher than Duran?

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                    #109
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                    Originally posted by pugay_kamay
                    Yeah I know, so do you get my point?

                    Ali lost to Holmes, does holmes ranked higher than Ali?
                    Thats not prime ali. Thats like asking if green should be ranked higher than roy. Bad example is my point.

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                      #110
                      Originally posted by mitruth
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                      Thats not prime ali. Thats like asking if green should be ranked higher than roy. Bad example is my point.
                      Duran lost to Hearns, does Hearns ranked higher than Duran?

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