Serious question, can Miguel Cotto defeat Manny Pacquiao if he has the right plan?

[S A M U R A I]

Yes Cotto just has to outbox him thw whole way and he could score a decision, but since he chose to brawl it messed him up.

Are you on crack?

I guess you must be since you posted about Pacquiao being member of the Illuminati.



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[S A M U R A I]

I said yes but only if a couple of things change.

for one allow cotto to come in at 147 would add more power to his shots..2 pounds of muscle would help. and no I am not making an excuse cotto looked good and healthy and he himself said 145 was no problem.

the second thing is he needs to fix his bloody nose problem. in his only 2 losses he ended up with a really bad nose bleed and if you can't breath in through your nose you are not winning any fights.

Under those conditions he could win a fight against pac. other wise no.

"Its no concern of mine whether it is 145 pounds or not," Cotto said.

"That is the usual weight that we cut down to for the weigh in, and in the ring—on fight night—I will go up eight to 10 pounds, so actually during the fight I will weigh around 155," stated Cotto.



No difference.



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[Aracibo04]

"Its no concern of mine whether it is 145 pounds or not," Cotto said.

"That is the usual weight that we cut down to for the weigh in, and in the ring—on fight night—I will go up eight to 10 pounds, so actually during the fight I will weigh around 155," stated Cotto.



No difference.

haha samu.. you did not have to quote that but thats good shiet... I already know that he said those things, im just talking in terms of how adding more muscle tends to affect the body thats all.

remember TS wants to know if cotto could win and I said yes. under those conditions he would have a better shot but thats just my opinion.

[S A M U R A I]

hehe i said chance not definite win...

and if the 2 pounds of muscle would not be significant then why did roach insist in a catchweight?

I was a mental thing, not a physical one. Once you get your opponent playing by your rules, you gain an advantage. Psychological warfare. Pacquiao giving away the first round on purpose was also part of it. Remember Roach predicted a first round KO? And in the actual fight, the opposite happened? They lulled Cotto into a false sense of security.

This is why Pacquiao should never -- under any circumstances -- take less than 50-50 for a Mayweather fight. This way Floyd doesn't gain a mental advantage.

Interesting article on Roach's tactics:

http://www.examiner.com/x-4514-Houston-Boxing-Examiner~y2009m11d21-Roachs-secret-plan-give-Cotto-round-1


"All warfare is based on deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective." ~ Sun Tzu



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[Aracibo04]

I was a mental thing, not a physical one. Once you get your opponent playing by your rules, you gain an advantage. Psychological warfare. Pacquiao giving away the first round on purpose was also part of it. Remember Roach predicted a first round KO? And in the actual fight, the opposite happened? They lulled Cotto into a false sense of security.

This is why Pacquiao should never -- under any circumstances -- take less than 50-50 for a Mayweather fight. This way Floyd doesn't gain a mental advantage.

Interesting article on Roach's tactics:

http://www.examiner.com/x-4514-Houston-Boxing-Examiner~y2009m11d21-Roachs-secret-plan-give-Cotto-round-1

I fully agree with that, and it was obvious in the way cotto tried to push back when manny pressed him early. I always said that cotto should not underestimate manny's power. I for one expected manny to act kind of how cotto did but he was very controlled.

I also agree that may vs pac should be 50/50 for many reasons including the one you gave.

[shadeyfizzle]

I'm still hurt, Cotto is my favorite fighter and people will say I'm in denial but I think he can pull a decision with the right gameplan, anyone agrees?

I still think he could have knocked Pacquiao out with the right gameplan.

He had the right idea when the fight 1st got made saying he was a better boxer than Pacquiao and just only a hair slower. and proved it in the 1st round of the fight. Then he sold himself on being the bigger stronger fighter forgetting that it aint the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

[Aracibo04]

by the way that was a good article!

http://www.examiner.com/x-4514-Houston-Boxing-Examiner~y2009m11d21-Roachs-secret-plan-give-Cotto-round-1

[S A M U R A I]

I fully agree with that, and it was obvious in the way cotto tried to push back when manny pressed him early. I always said that cotto should not underestimate manny's power. I for one expected manny to act kind of how cotto did but he was very controlled.

I also agree that may vs pac should be 50/50 for many reasons including the one you gave.

Never a good idea to brawl with Pacquiao. I couldn't believe it when some were saying Cotto needs to pressure Manny and beat him up early. I was like NO! That's suicide! He'll get Hattoned! Those who brawl with him always come off much worse because he is so rapid. They get beaten to the punch every time, and like you said, his power is not to be underestimated.



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[S A M U R A I]

I still think he could have knocked Pacquiao out with the right gameplan.

He had the right idea when the fight 1st got made saying he was a better boxer than Pacquiao and just only a hair slower. and proved it in the 1st round of the fight. Then he sold himself on being the bigger stronger fighter forgetting that it aint the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.

The first round was given away Shadey, it was part of the plan. Part of the second round, too. You can visibly see Pacquiao switch gears towards the end of the round.

I will disagree about Cotto being the better boxer, too. I think Manny is leagues above him.



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[Left Hook Tua]

you are avoiding the question... but i see your point you try to get the most advantage but its not guaranteed to work as planned. but 2 pounds of muscle would help with power. would it have been enough to make a difference? we will never know. most would say that maybe not but there is no way to tell.

i said before the fight that if pac can take cottos power he would win and I also said that if pac broke cottos nose cotto would loose. that is exactly what happend. for boxing's sake I hoped for a more competitive fight but it was not.

why would he lost 2 lbs. of muscle?

if he did , and we don't know , that was ******.

2 lbs. of water would have been better.