Better jab: Cotto or Mayweather???

[ThePunchingBag]

Cottos jab is strong that it could knock down some fighters.

Floyd's jab is fast but Pac will laugh it off. Pac's footwork and right hand counter would annihilate Floyd

IMO that's why Floyd has problems with Southpaws. He likes to set up his right cross with that jab, but against a quick southpaw he get's countered with the right hook. If you look at the Judah fight, Floyd adjusted by lowering his jab output which gave Judah a lot less openings. Floyd's money punch will be the straight right. The problem with this is that Floyd only throws the straight right as a counter punch from a stationary position. The only way Floyd lands that shot is if Pac is right in front of him. If Pac uses lateral movement he could stay away from the straight right and have the opportunity for a straight left or a right uppercut.

A lot of this speculation has to do with how Floyd reacts. If he starts backpedaling after Pac moves laterally, you go back to square one.

[DLT]

I think even the people who picked Floyd's jab are underrating it. Its not just quick & accurate. He does have some nice snap behind it. Even Foreman use to say it. He has some nice pop behind that jab

[Ido]

they are different.

Cotto's is stronger, since he is a converted southpaw and all. He has KD power in that jab.

Mayweather's is faster by miles... and thus opponents don't see it coming. Or if they do, they don't have enough time to block/evade it.

From a tactical standpoint, I would pick Mayweather's. From a brute force and power aspect, I would pick Cotto.

This.

[Silky-Flow]

People are saying "Cotto's jab is stronger" but isn't that because he's actually left handed right? so of course if you're using your power hand to jab it's gonna be stronger, but imo Mayweather's jab was class against JMM, he popped it to the body and chin all night with great accuracy and speed, and when you consider the successes that Cotto had against Pac stemmed from him being patient and using his jab then things look good for Floyd.

[shadeyfizzle]

pacquiao was going over cotto's jab with a hook.

i doubt he'd be as successful doing that over mayweather's jab.


cotto made a mistake sticking with the jab all night when he was getting countered throwing it.

he'd have been better off throwing the right as a type of jab and saving that left hook of his for when pacquiao counters.

Actually I noticed Cotto throw several right crosses throughout the fight. None of them landed. Anytime he tried Pac was able to counter it. I think Cotto was just as effective with the uppercut against Pac as Pac was against him.

[shadeyfizzle]

People are saying "Cotto's jab is stronger" but isn't that because he's actually left handed right? so of course if you're using your power hand to jab it's gonna be stronger, but imo Mayweather's jab was class against JMM, he popped it to the body and chin all night with great accuracy and speed, and when you consider the successes that Cotto had against Pac stemmed from him being patient and using his jab then things look good for Floyd.

But Marquez was a stationary target with very little head movement against Floyd.

And as effective as Cotto was with his jab Pac walked right through it.

[Silky-Flow]

Nah man Cotto probably hit Manny a total of 5 good jabs which snapped his head back and that was because Manny walked into them when he was going for the kill and trying to finish Cotto. Basically those were counter-punching jabs which caught manny coming in, and it would have snapped anyone's head back.

I doubt Manny would walk into Mayweather's jabs like that, unless he gets really desperate. In that case he will suffer head snaps again...but I very much doubt Many would fight Mayweather like that. He is probably going to break him down first and then go for the kill. Since Mayweather doesn't have any dangerous power behind his jabs, he can hit Manny as many times as he want while Manny's coming in for the killshot

I really can't fathom this assumption that "Manny will walk through this..and Manny will walk through that", imo if Floyd hits him accurately enough Pac will hit the deck, he took some big shots against Cotto but none of them were punches where i thought "how the **** did Pac stay up from that", imo they were straight forward punches Manny saw coming, but the punches he doesn't see coming are the one's that will do the most damage and i believe Floyd's got that in his arsenal, you only have to look at the punch he put JMM down with.

[Albo Da Kid]

You're comparing Cotto's jab to the Manny fight when Mayweather hasn't even fought him. Until then I don't think its fair to just throw the jab out the window because Manny didn't caught with it "that much." Though... he did get a caught more than what you are saying, and then you say "Manny was coming in." Well isn't that what the jab is supposed to do? Keep your opponent from blazing in so you throw a jab to snap his head back. I mean your excuse for having a "bad jab" is essentially taking the entire point of the punch out of the equation.

If we went by the ideology "that they haven't fought yet" we might as well throw this whole thread out of the window because everyone is makingassumptions regarding floyd's jab vs Cotto's

While Cotto snapped Pac's head a few times, it didn't affect him much because it was too slow and Pac started to get around it with no problems. It was certainly not holding Pac back.
Now what I'm saying is that, we all know how precisely and often Mayweather throws his fast jab which creates problems for every fighter he fought until now. He will throw a jab to keep you off distance and move out. I call that being affective and throwing a fighter's offensive plan out of the window.

So now try and make sense of this: Cotto's jabs snap their opponent's heads back and might have KO power but they're easy to get around of(for Pac at least)
Floyd's jabs are very hard to get around of because they're very often thrown and very accurate and fast. Up to today he has given every fighter he has fought problems with his jab(keeping them off him and stuff, setting them up for a counterpunch etc..)

Do you still think a strong Jab will give Pac problems? or a more faster, consistent, accurate jab which can set him up for straight rights all night?

I like to believe that he will be bothered a lot more by Mayweather's jab than he was from Cotto's jab because I believe that it will be more harder for him to adjust to floyd's jab's and positioning

[Left Hook Tua]

Actually I noticed Cotto throw several right crosses throughout the fight. None of them landed. Anytime he tried Pac was able to counter it. I think Cotto was just as effective with the uppercut against Pac as Pac was against him.

pretty much nothing cotto threw was effective unless pac was laying on the ropes.

i just think that left was wasted just throwing jabs.

his right wasn't really doing any damage. use the right cross as your jab and have the hook ready for when manny comes in.

i'm in the minority (for some reason everyone thinks cotto should have jabbed more even though i think he tried but just didn't accomplish anything with it)

[Beater_of_ass]

People are saying "Cotto's jab is stronger" but isn't that because he's actually left handed right? so of course if you're using your power hand to jab it's gonna be stronger, but imo Mayweather's jab was class against JMM, he popped it to the body and chin all night with great accuracy and speed, and when you consider the successes that Cotto had against Pac stemmed from him being patient and using his jab then things look good for Floyd.

Are you serious? Obviously the jab is stronger than Mayweathers because he is left handed and fights orthodox stop making it out to be like we are hating Mayweather. He has the weaker jab, period. In fact, I'm not sure if anything Mayweather throws is as hard as Cotto's jab to be quite honest. Yea, Mayweather had a good jab against Marquez but lets be real, when a guy moves up two weight classes, is forced to completely learn the opposite style of fight from what he's done his entire career, and doesn't have the great defense even when he fights defensively a jab is going to look perfect. I'm far more impressed with Cotto's jab against Paq than I ever was about ANYTHING Mayweather did to Marquez. That was like putting in a dairy cow in with a Matador it was apparent what was going to happen.