Shane Mosley: I'm The Best at 147, Not Manny Pacquiao

[jkaisen41]

What did you just say????, listen first learn how to spell properly before you debate and criticize a fighters abilities and accomplishments, margarito was the most avoided fighter in the ww division with the exception of williams and was blowing everybody he faced out of the water, and what he lacked in skill he made up for in toughness, relentlessness, and determination, that toughness and determination was enough to cause floyd to avoid fighting him, even turning down 8 million dollars to avoid facing him!

That toughness and pressure he brought to a fight was enough to brutalize cotto widely regarded as the best ww in the world at that time, and I have a funny feeling if he had beaten margarito he would have been labled as one of if not the greatest fighter of this era, now when mosley destroyed with apparent ease a fighter who was considered the most avoided fighter, again with the exception of williams, and a fighter who crushed cotto and many believe gave williams all he could handle and actually beat him, now when shane decisively crushes the monster, the most avoided fighter, the tijuana tornado, a fighter who floyd and many others blatantly avoided, it's all of a sudden no big deal?

What I will say is please don't try and minimize the significance of the mosley victory because of your biased views, and for you to suggest that you know boxing while claiming that cotto won a fight that was very close going into the last rds, while running the last 4 rds is absolutely laughable, when you look at that fight more objectively absent your biased criticisms, mosley becomes the obvious winner, learn boxing, learn how to spell and objectively view fights and fighters before you come on these boards and criticize their accomplishments.

First of all... I think you pretty much understand my post... so if you try to insult me no problem, we can talk in my mother language and then we will see who speaks better an foreign language...

Margarito is and will never be anything special... how long do you watch boxing dude? One of the best of this era... then it's probably a pretty sad of class of WW you got.

Second of all... I never deminished the win by Mosley who did his thing and beat the so called ''most avoided fighter''. So what... do you honestly want to go in a debate if Margarito is great or one of the best of his time... as soon as somebody could stand up to him physical it is all over for him... because he has no skill... Williams did it, Mosley did it, Santos did it... so what's the big deal about Margarito. He is a tough, tall, well chinned, determined guy who tried to cheat on top of that. If somebody tries to cheat it doesn't seem to me that he is that comfortable in his skills or how do you see it.

Mosley beat him fair and square... I never said anything else but he only did what every other good WW would have done... I'm talking about the likes of Leonard, Hearns, Robinson etc. Margarito ain't nothing special... but if you want to praise for being ''so good'' even with that less skill then hell yeah, he did a lot for somebody who is so limited boxing skill wise

[edgarg]

It's happened before, it will happen again. If you don't like it, become a sanctioning body.

Nah...I don't have to go to all that trouble, I just have to write in to Boxingscene, and that satisfies my desire to express my opinion.

[edgarg]

well mosley is fighting berto the WBC champ....im sure he will beat berto;
im also sure that pacquiao vs mayweather is not gonna happen right away;
we are going to see a tune-up for mayweather, maybe mayweather vs judah II
pacquiao vs mayweather will happen at the end of 2010

Mosley SHOULD beat Berto, but I'm not so sure. As of now, I feel it could go either way.

My reason is, that Mosley has reached that stage of his caqreer, when he has "off-days", and things don't go the way he expects and trains for. He could have a brilliant, unbeatable night, or......a tough slogging uphill battle. Just my opinion.

It happens to all fighters, as far as I know, and also to athletes in other sports.

[PACsiwon]

me?

obviously,shane mosley really wants a piece of pacquiao`s cake. win or loss situation in the fight doesnt matter cause win win ituation for him in terms of purse.

[donray]

First of all... I think you pretty much understand my post... so if you try to insult me no problem, we can talk in my mother language and then we will see who speaks better an foreign language...

Margarito is and will never be anything special... how long do you watch boxing dude? One of the best of this era... then it's probably a pretty sad of class of WW you got.

Second of all... I never deminished the win by Mosley who did his thing and beat the so called ''most avoided fighter''. So what... do you honestly want to go in a debate if Margarito is great or one of the best of his time... as soon as somebody could stand up to him physical it is all over for him... because he has no skill... Williams did it, Mosley did it, Santos did it... so what's the big deal about Margarito. He is a tough, tall, well chinned, determined guy who tried to cheat on top of that. If somebody tries to cheat it doesn't seem to me that he is that comfortable in his skills or how do you see it.

Mosley beat him fair and square... I never said anything else but he only did what every other good WW would have done... I'm talking about the likes of Leonard, Hearns, Robinson etc. Margarito ain't nothing special... but if you want to praise for being ''so good'' even with that less skill then hell yeah, he did a lot for somebody who is so limited boxing skill wise

The williams margarito fight was a very competitive fight, the santos fight was fought at jr middle, a weight that margarito is not effective at, but before the fight was stopped margarito was coming on strong and laying some heavy leather on santos, mosley was the only one to decisively crush margarito, even the highly touted williams who many think would trounce maywweather if they ever fought, had his hands full with margarito,only shane beat him margarito decisively while at the top of his game.

And I never said that margarito was the greatest of this era or anything special what I said was if cotto had beaten him because many felt he couldn't be beat at that time, or would be very difficult to beat, if cotto had beaten him cotto probably would have been considered the greatest of his era for accomplishing that feat, I also said that what he lacked in skills he made up for in toughness, relentlessness, and determination, he was certainly lacking in skills but more than made up for it with his toughness, pressure, chin, and relentlessnes, that is what I said read the post.

[GTL]

IMO.. sorry, i know Im going to get ****ted on.. the BEST welter out there is clottey.. i feel he won the fight, and can beat any1 in the division..

[jkaisen41]

The williams margarito fight was a very competitive fight, the santos fight was fought at jr middle, a weight that margarito is not effective at, but before the fight was stopped margarito was coming on strong and laying some heavy leather on santos, mosley was the only one to decisively crush margarito, even the highly touted williams who many think would trounce maywweather if they ever fought, had his hands full with margarito,only shane beat him margarito decisively while at the top of his game.

And I never said that margarito was the greatest of this era or anything special what I said was if cotto had beaten him because many felt he couldn't be beat at that time, or would be very difficult to beat, if cotto had beaten him cotto probably would have been considered the greatest of his era for accomplishing that feat, I also said that what he lacked in skills he made up for in toughness, relentlessness, and determination, he was certainly lacking in skills but more than made up for it with his toughness, pressure, chin, and relentlessnes, that is what I said read the post.

Yeah, and that's exactly what I told you, too... he has the intangibles (which are not trainable) but that's pretty much it... and that's why I said please don't overrate it... it was an very impressive performances by an 38-old guy who beat a tough in his prime fighter.

With many ppl you won't get me... many ppl will say many things... I only showed you that a guy who can physical stand up to him and has some boxing skill will beat him. I know that Santos fought him at Junior Middle... and that even proves my point further that Margarito ain't nothing special boxing wise... he can't even move up one weight class without loosing what he is...

I don't know about Cotto... I always thought that he that kind of talent too... but after seeing him against top-notch opposition I don't know... you of course can make a name for yourselves through fighting tough fights but he never really had that guy that made him great. But probably many would have considered him the best Welter of his time if he beat Margarito but it wouldn't be because of Margarito only but because of the whole of his opponents IMO

[hugh grant]

cotto didn't say he was the best he fought,he said he was one of the best,one of,so it could be mosley too....like you said,you believe the fighter,and i believe him,but don't say "the best" he said "one of the best"..big difference

Nah, cotto said he was THE best fighter in the world. SSM shouldnt argue with Cotto, because SSM rates Cotto.

[prsi]

Mosley arguably beat Cotto. I thought he edged it 116-112 or 115-113.

Manny, although he beat Cotto convincingly at 145, and as far as I'm concerned can be regarded as a welterweight, needs to fight at 147 to be able to claim welterweight status.

Those last 2 lbs can do enormous damage to a fighter, and a perfect case in point is the Corrales-Mayweather fight, where Corrales, who had given up at 130, was induced by "an offer i couldn't refuse" to sweat back down to 130, and, at the weigh-in [after a couple of failures] looked like a walking corpse.

He also fought like a somnabulistic victim, by far the worst Corrales ever seen.

So, until Manny fights as a full welterweight, meaning that his opponents can weigh up to 147, I don't think that he should be considered in any welterweight lists.

He can fight at 145 if he wants, no one will prevent him.

Very good opinion Edgard and if you did read my post properly I did say that my inclination is to give a slight advantage to Mosley as the top WW precisely because of the catchweight issues, which I must add I do not like.

Having said that the fact is that if you fight at 142, 145 or 147 it will be clasified as a WW fight whether we like it or not (which I dont) and for that matter Pacman has been more impressive at WW recently (the since Nov. of 2007) than Mosley. The 2-0 record buy Pacman are more impressive than the 1-1 record, especially when 1 of the 2 wins of Pacman, includes a victory over a man who defeated Mosley.

[Sammy2g3]

Manny's camp ducked Mosley. They pulled a Floyd to fight a fighter to get more money.