Joe Santiago told Cotto after the first round..

[ianntheman]

dude can still fight in elite level... gave him the chance cotto just bump into a very thick wall with pacman....

[oside4life]

No doubt, any job that involves teaching, which is essentially what a trainer does, requires a tremendous amount of patience to do well. In any endeavor, great participants very often don't make the best coaches. Teaching is about communication. Some people have all kinds of knowledge in their heads but can't express it in a usable way. Even then, the very best have talents that often can't be explained or transferred to someone else.

In any event, I would still appreciate an answer to my initial question: "What you would have advised your fighter to do against Manny in that fight?"

clinch when you get inside throw the jab, and uppercut more and move in and out thats what I"ve would of said i'm relatively new to the whole gameplanning of boxing but thats what I would have told miguel that night.

[Pounding]

Read properly.



That's what I replied to. I am sick of this "quitter" bull****. It doesn't make you more of a man to get your face beaten so badly that you end up looking like a football.

OK I thik you were you were talking to me but anyway this guys that call him a quitter are nothing but a bunch of keyboard warriors. They don't know what is like to get hit in the face.

[Pounding]

Just standing up for a friend, that's all. You're accused of being a Cotto "hater" (yawn) by someone who's been here only since September and doesn't know what the **** he is talking about.

Whaty makes you think I been here since september? I been here posting for years this is just the latest alt and trust me mangler is a Cotto hater.

[Holliday]

Just standing up for a friend, that's all. You're accused of being a Cotto "hater" (yawn) by someone who's been here only since September and doesn't know what the **** he is talking about.

Sam can I ask you something? hypothetically If I told you I was a Pacquiao fan but every time Pacquiao fight's I root for the other man to win,Am I really a Pacquiao fan?

lets say I picked

Diaz Over Pacquiao
Hatton Over Pacquiao
Cotto Over Pacquiao
Morales Over Pacquiao
Barerra Over Pacquiao
De La Hoya Over Pacquiao



but wait Am I a Pacquiao fan or not?

[MANGLER]

Whaty makes you think I been here since september? I been here posting for years this is just the latest alt and trust me mangler is a Cotto hater.

So who'd you used to be? All my arguments sans just 1 have been wit Mr boat buyer's ****suckers homey.

Sam can I ask you something? hypothetically If I told you I was a Pacquiao fan but every time Pacquiao fight's I root for the other man to win,Am I really a Pacquiao fan?

lets say I picked

Diaz Over Pacquiao
Hatton Over Pacquiao
Cotto Over Pacquiao
Morales Over Pacquiao
Barerra Over Pacquiao
De La Hoya Over Pacquiao



but wait Im a Pacquiao fan or not?

I jacked this thread without even tryin.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I think he did say something along the lines of stopping the fight but had second thoughts to finish it. But santiago should have right then said no mas period.

Thank you!! I'm not ***ing crazy. I heard Cotto say he wanted to quit but was talked back into it by his corner. Someone please put up the video so these delusional Cotto fans can hear it for themselves...

No doubt, any job that involves teaching, which is essentially what a trainer does, requires a tremendous amount of patience to do well. In any endeavor, great participants very often don't make the best coaches. Teaching is about communication. Some people have all kinds of knowledge in their heads but can't express it in a usable way. Even then, the very best have talents that often can't be explained or transferred to someone else.

In any event, I would still appreciate an answer to my initial question: "What you would have advised your fighter to do against Manny in that fight?"

Well, if I was Santiago and Cotto was my fighter my strategy would have been probably along similar lines. Hindsight is 20/20, so it's easy for me to talk about what happened after the fact but going into the fight, everyone thought Manny would not be able to take Cotto's shots and power, especially to the body.

Manny is a very erky jerky type of a fighter. If you read my post before the fight, I said Manny's foot speed would be the difference in the fight and it was. He is able to get in and out of distance very fast and that's where he creates offense and defense.

I would have trained Cotto to try and nullify that foot speed with his jab. I know Cotto is not much of a counter puncher and can't fight very well going backwards as we have seen in the past. At the same time, rushing in on Pac isn't a good idea because he feints and lands straight hard shots.

I would have tried to be more patient with Manny, use the jab effectively and try and cut him off and bully him into the corners as much as possible. Even hold him and hit him whenever possible.

A good fight of reference would have been the way Jose Luis Castillo fought Mayweather the first time or the way John John Molina fought DLH when they fought. Make it a little dirty, a little physical.

Then again, that was my thoughts pre-fight of course..hehe. Now I think very differently.

[S A M U R A I]

Sam can I ask you something? hypothetically If I told you I was a Pacquiao fan but every time Pacquiao fight's I root for the other man to win,Am I really a Pacquiao fan?

Most likely not. If you're a fan of a fighter, you root for him. Why ask?



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[MANGLER]

Most likely not. If you're a fan of a fighter, you root for him. Why ask?

Cuz he thinks pickin is the same as rootin Sam.

[S A M U R A I]

Whaty makes you think I been here since september?

The fact that it says September 2009 on your profile.

I been here posting for years this is just the latest alt and trust me mangler is a Cotto hater.

Trust me, he's not. I know mangler much better than you do.



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