Joe Santiago told Cotto after the first round..

[S A M U R A I]

You see, that's what I'm talking about! Right or wrong, as a trainer, you have to hand your fighter some advice. A bad plan is better than no plan at all. Santiago didn't have any useful words for Miguel in between rounds.

All that takes a backseat to your fighter's health, however. A couple of hours after the fight, I made a post tearing into Joe Santiago's ineptitude for not stopping the fight earlier. Not only do you save your fighter's body and mind for future bouts, more importantly, you save the quality of his life after boxing. All that talk about being carried out on your shield is easy to say when you're not the one being carried out.

Exactly. Every fighter deserves protection. Pride? **** that! What about his life? What about his kids who won't want to see their father in a wheelchair unable to even speak to them? What about the wife he'd be destroying the soul of, should anything bad happen to him?

I hate boxing's macho side, I really do. This is the most brutal sport in the world. There's no reason for unnecessary beatings.



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[S A M U R A I]

deep down you know there is truth in what I'm saying and how things are,don't let you're like for a person cloud you're judgement

You are totally wrong about this.

By the way, I'm a Cotto fan. I'm even in the Cotto Cartel, and I joined after the fight. I picked Pacquiao to T/KO Cotto. Doesn't mean I'm not a Cotto fan, I always have been, but when it comes to betting you have to throw bias out the window, and when it comes to rooting, you have to realize and admit to yourself when your fighter is out of his depth, as Marquez was at WW against Mayweather. I would love to see Marquez beat the **** out of Floyd though, I just know it wasn't gonna happen.

It's not called hate, it's called being realistic.



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[MANGLER]

yet you're a cotto fan? you never once thought cotto was capable of beating any of those people?

I never once said he stood absolutely 0 chance of beatin those that I picked him to lose to. But I ain't let fandom delude my predictions.

I like Pac and picked Cotto, DLH, JMM (rematch), and EM (rematch) to beat him
I like SSM and picked Marg to beat him
I like JMM and picked Mr boat buyer to beat him
I like Bhop and picked Pavlik to beat him

It's called bein a fan, not a stan homey.

[littlemac]

In the middle rounds Joe was like "Come on fight smart!! You're smarter than that!! (then proceeds to rub Cotto's bald head in a frustrated manner)". That's all the advice Joe had for him that round. He never gave him any type of technical advice other than "use that jab" through out that fight, he wasn't correcting Cotto's mistakes. Roach was right.

Joe Santiago contributed more to that loss than Cotto did.

Hahaha thats funny. I mean what kind of instructions is that. Like someone mentioned. Santiago was just a cheerleader.

[Holliday]

Like I said, you don't even know what "rooting" means, obviously.

Let's imagine this:

Mike Tyson (prime) against Cotto (any version).

Who do you pick to win? Tell the truth.

so lets say i say I pick Marquez over Pacquiao

but I know for a fact Pacquiao is more then capable of wining and is going to and I dislike marquez an know he will lose

but whatever I a pacquiao fan,am I?

but wait Im A pacuiao fan

[littlemac]

Seems like the only happy campers are Pac fans. Everybody else is bitchin bout sumthin. Anything.

[Pounding]

I never once said he stood absolutely 0 chance of beatin those that I picked him to lose to. But I ain't let fandom delude my predictions.

I like Pac and picked Cotto, DLH, JMM (rematch), and EM (rematch) to beat him
I like SSM and picked Marg to beat him
I like JMM and picked Mr boat buyer to beat him
I like Bhop and picked Pavlik to beat him

It's called bein a fan, not a stan homey.

Arn't you the guy who picks almost everyone to beat Cotto? I saw a thread on the fantasy forum of Azuma Nelson vs Miguel Cotto at 140. Yet you pick Nelson to win the fight in a weight that he never had a fight in! It seems to me like you pick against Cotto all the time no matter what.

[S A M U R A I]

so lets say i say I pick Marquez over Pacquiao

but I know for a fact Pacquiao is more then capable of wining and is going to and I dislike marquez an know he will lose

but whatever I a pacquiao fan,am I?

but wait Im A pacuiao fan

Don't answer my question with a question!

Would you pick Cotto to beat Tyson. Yes or no?



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[CubanGuyNYC]

Thank you!! I'm not ***ing crazy. I heard Cotto say he wanted to quit but was talked back into it by his corner. Someone please put up the video so these delusional Cotto fans can hear it for themselves...



Well, if I was Santiago and Cotto was my fighter my strategy would have been probably along similar lines. Hindsight is 20/20, so it's easy for me to talk about what happened after the fact but going into the fight, everyone thought Manny would not be able to take Cotto's shots and power, especially to the body.

Manny is a very erky jerky type of a fighter. If you read my post before the fight, I said Manny's foot speed would be the difference in the fight and it was. He is able to get in and out of distance very fast and that's where he creates offense and defense.

I would have trained Cotto to try and nullify that foot speed with his jab. I know Cotto is not much of a counter puncher and can't fight very well going backwards as we have seen in the past. At the same time, rushing in on Pac isn't a good idea because he feints and lands straight hard shots.

I would have tried to be more patient with Manny, use the jab effectively and try and cut him off and bully him into the corners as much as possible. Even hold him and hit him whenever possible.

A good fight of reference would have been the way Jose Luis Castillo fought Mayweather the first time or the way John John Molina fought DLH when they fought. Make it a little dirty, a little physical.

Then again, that was my thoughts pre-fight of course..hehe. Now I think very differently.

Excellent reply. I thank you.

Someone else suggested the uppercut. And the friend I was watching the fight with mentioned it prior to Miguel landing the punch. I think Cotto threw it just once. But one had to wonder why he didn't repeat it, as he split Manny's guard very effectively with it. Of course, you and I know that repeating the act is easier said than done.

[Holliday]

I never once said he stood absolutely 0 chance of beatin those that I picked him to lose to. But I ain't let fandom delude my predictions.

I like Pac and picked Cotto, DLH, JMM (rematch), and EM (rematch) to beat him
I like SSM and picked Marg to beat him
I like JMM and picked Mr boat buyer to beat him
I like Bhop and picked Pavlik to beat him

It's called bein a fan, not a stan homey.

aka not a fan,a fan atleast at time picks the person name being cotto to win fights he's capable of winning?

a stan pick there guy to beat everybody even godzilla sort of like samuria

you are not a fan