Joe Santiago told Cotto after the first round..

[S A M U R A I]

Cuz he thinks pickin is the same as rootin Sam.

That's ******ed. Plain and simple.

I rooted for plenty of fighters knowing they won't win, it doesn't stop you wanting them to. Example: I can't stand Mayweather, but I love JMM, and I bet against JMM because I knew he had no chance above 135.

I think maybe someone doesn't know the meaning of the word "rooting".

Rooting = wanting / hoping.



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[Holliday]

Most likely not. If you're a fan of a fighter, you root for him. Why ask?

BINGO was his Name,Mangler say he's a fan of Cotto yet picks against him

Clottey Over Cotto,Mayweather Over Cotto,,Pacquiao if he was not KO'd b4 6 over Cotto,Margarito over cotto

and this is not far fetched mosley over cotto in there 1st fight

yet he's a Cotto fan or atleast he says he is, then paraphrasing here, Cotto is done at the elite level even with a new trainer,he would'nt beat clottey,mosley ever again.......this to me is not a fan but a liar possibly a hater

[MANGLER]

That's ******ed. Plain and simple.

I rooted for plenty of fighters knowing they won't win, it doesn't stop you wanting them to. I can't stand Mayweather, but I love JMM, and I bet against JMM because I knew he had no chance above 135.

I think maybe someone doesn't know the meaning of the word "rooting".

Rooting = wanting / hoping.

Seems like the only happy campers are Pac fans. Everybody else is bitchin bout sumthin. Anything.

[S A M U R A I]

BINGO was his Name,Mangler say he's a fan of Cotto yet picks against him

Clottey Over Cotto,Mayweather Over Cotto,,Pacquiao if he was not KO'd b4 6 over Cotto,Margarito over cotto

and this is not far fetched mosley over cotto in there 1st fight

yet he's a Cotto fan or atleast he says he is, then paraphrasing here, Cotto is done at the elite level even with a new trainer,he would'nt beat clottey,mosley ever again.......this to me is not a fan but a liar possibly a hater

Like I said, you don't even know what "rooting" means, obviously.

Let's imagine this:

Mike Tyson (prime) against Cotto (any version).

Who do you pick to win? Tell the truth.



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[KingTito]

I'm not making excuses, Cotto lost to the better fighter, but Cotto's corner could've done a better job.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Cotto's done as an elite. No trainer will change that.

Cotto problem is not that he done he fought hard in the Clottey fight and didn't fold Clottey is no walk in the park but does not have the hand speed or stamina of PAC I think PAC is or was just too much for him..I think he can still defeat alot of the TOP WW's....Lefty

In the middle rounds Joe was like "Come on fight smart!! You're smarter than that!! (then proceeds to rub Cotto's bald head in a frustrated manner)". That's all the advice Joe had for him that round. He never gave him any type of technical advice other than "use that jab" through out that fight, he wasn't correcting Cotto's mistakes. Roach was right.

Joe Santiago contributed more to that loss than Cotto did.

Joe was giving him good advice as far as the JAB goes he was able to use it in the first two rounds until Manny made an adjustment. Cotto's was throwing the jab and not bringing it back quick enough and getting countered with the right hook. he needed to switch to south paw stance or at least I thought keeping his left hand high to guard against Manny's right hook being in that stance would have negated Manny's lead straight left hand amybe I am wrong but I thought he would have switched stances in the early rounds once Manny made the adjustment to his jabs....Lefty

This is from some other thread I posted in before.

What's on the menu for Cotto now?

WW
Pac II
Marg II
SSM II
Clottey II
Mr boat buyer

JMW (titlists)
Spinks
Martinez
Dzindziruk
Foreman

Outta all these fights, which ones you see Cotto winnin at this point?

I don't know who he would beat there hard to say but I know he would get in the ring with anyone of them and I would pay to see it Mangs....I think he would beat Foreman for sure, Spinks, and possibly Martinez. I don;t know the other guy Dzindziruk. In the WW he would do well in a rematch against SSM, and Clottey and I think he qwould damage Berto who wasn't even on your list....Lefty

[MANGLER]

BINGO was his Name,Mangler say he's a fan of Cotto yet picks against him

Clottey Over Cotto,Mayweather Over Cotto,,Pacquiao if he was not KO'd b4 6 over Cotto,Margarito over cotto

and this is not far fetched mosley over cotto in there 1st fight

yet he's a Cotto fan or atleast he says he is, then paraphrasing here, Cotto is done at the elite level even with a new trainer,he would'nt beat clottey,mosley ever again.......this to me is not a fan but a liar possibly a hater

I had picked Clottey over Cotto, but changed my pick when he talked halfassed durin an interview.

I always picked Mr boat buyer over Cotto.

I posted in every Pac-Cotto thread for months that Pac was too small and would get blasted within 6.

I picked Marg over Cotto.

I wasn't even on here when SSM fought Cotto.

[6Bound]

Well, if I was Santiago and Cotto was my fighter my strategy would have been probably along similar lines. Hindsight is 20/20, so it's easy for me to talk about what happened after the fact but going into the fight, everyone thought Manny would not be able to take Cotto's shots and power, especially to the body.

Manny is a very erky jerky type of a fighter. If you read my post before the fight, I said Manny's foot speed would be the difference in the fight and it was. He is able to get in and out of distance very fast and that's where he creates offense and defense.

I would have trained Cotto to try and nullify that foot speed with his jab. I know Cotto is not much of a counter puncher and can't fight very well going backwards as we have seen in the past. At the same time, rushing in on Pac isn't a good idea because he feints and lands straight hard shots.

I would have tried to be more patient with Manny, use the jab effectively and try and cut him off and bully him into the corners as much as possible. Even hold him and hit him whenever possible.

A good fight of reference would have been the way Jose Luis Castillo fought Mayweather the first time or the way John John Molina fought DLH when they fought. Make it a little dirty, a little physical.

Then again, that was my thoughts pre-fight of course..hehe. Now I think very differently.

I didnt agree with you earlier but i gotta say i agree with all that there and basically thought the same thing before this fight..I knew Cotto would try to come in and fight as the bigger man instead of staying patient and boxing smart early on to preserve himself...Much respect to Pac though..

[CubanGuyNYC]

clinch when you get inside throw the jab, and uppercut more and move in and out thats what I"ve would of said i'm relatively new to the whole gameplanning of boxing but thats what I would have told miguel that night.

You see, that's what I'm talking about! Right or wrong, as a trainer, you have to hand your fighter some advice. A bad plan is better than no plan at all. Santiago didn't have any useful words for Miguel in between rounds.

All that takes a backseat to your fighter's health, however. A couple of hours after the fight, I made a post tearing into Joe Santiago's ineptitude for not stopping the fight earlier. Not only do you save your fighter's body and mind for future bouts, more importantly, you save the quality of his life after boxing. All that talk about being carried out on your shield is easy to say when you're not the one being carried out.

[Holliday]

Like I said, you don't even know what "rooting" means, obviously.

Let's imagine this:

Mike Tyson (prime) against Cotto (any version).

Who do you pick to win? Tell the truth.

deep down you know there is truth in what I'm saying and how things are,don't let you're like for a person cloud you're judgement

I had picked Clottey over Cotto, but changed my pick when he talked halfassed durin an interview.

I always picked Mr boat buyer over Cotto.

I posted in every Pac-Cotto thread for months that Pac was too small and would get blasted within 6.

I picked Marg over Cotto.

I wasn't even on here when SSM fought Cotto.

yet you're a cotto fan? you never once thought cotto was capable of beating any of those people?