Does Marquez have a better resume and legacy than Morales and Barrera?

[Iceta]

I like JMM the best out of the three, but if I've got to put my biased feelings aside, I've got to go with Erik Morales as being the best out of the three. He beat Manny Pacquiao clearly in the first fight even though he lost due to being battle worn and weight drained in the next two fights. And the thing that moves him above JMM is the fact that he beat Barrera and fought him three times while Barrera was prime. And if they were the same size prime Junior Jones > shot Casamayor. One reason why I have JMM ranked above Barrera is because of the head to head match up win and the fact that he beat Rocky Juarez a lot more decisively. Barrera is also a glove skinner and a dirty fighter.

JMM needs to go after legacy defining fights like against Bradley and Soto and not go after a shot fighter like Hatton if he wants the no questions asked disnticntion of being the best out of the three. Either that or beat Pacquiao in a rubber match.

[Left Hook Tua]

I like JMM the best out of the three, but if I've got to put my biased feelings aside, I've got to go with Erik Morales as being the best out of the three. He beat Manny Pacquiao clearly in the first fight even though he lost due to being battle worn and weight drained in the next two fights. And the thing that moves him above JMM is the fact that he beat Barrera and fought him three times. And if they were the same size prime Junior Jones > shot Casamayor. One reason why I have JMM ranked above Barrera is because of the head to head match up win and the fact that he beat Rocky Juarez a lot more decisively. Barrera is also a glove skinner and a dirty fighter.

JMM needs to go after legacy defining fights like against Bradley and Soto and not go after a shot fighter like Hatton if he wants the no questions asked disnticntion of being the best out of the three. Either that or beat Pacquiao in a rubber match.

bradley is no good for jmm. i don't want to see that. juan diaz was overpowering jmm , i can't imagine what bradley would do.

jmm is best to go after hatton (for the money)

[Zarco]

too long. hard for me to reply if you type DLT/Horus length posts. break them up.

1. are you trying to compare how many wars marquez has been in compared to casamayor? not trying to diss marquez but it is what it is. he fought a past it casamayor. still a great win but it doesn't change the fact casa was past it.

2. i never said erik morales was in his prime. i even say a past prime morales beat pacquiao.

3. no one gives pacquiao much credit for the barrera rematch. they give him credit for the 1st , which was one hell of a win. if someone is to blame for the barrera rematch happening too late don't blame pacquiao. i don't think pacquiao had any problems fighting barrera again. go talk to GBP and barrera about that. barrera got screwed over by gbp. gbp wanted him to fight jmm before pac.

4. stfu about pacquiao already. this is jmm vs. mab/em. look at the poll. look at who voted for jmm. jmm fans and a bunch alts and trolls.

ok i gotcha i was just trying to say casa was a good win for marqez. i thought you were poking only at jmms wins but i guess you think the same about some of pacs. truth is that there is something to be said about every ones wins.

you still havent given me a clear answer on why erik morales and barrera are in the skys while marquez is still on soil.

bradley is no good for jmm. i don't want to see that. juan diaz was overpowering jmm , i can't imagine what bradley would do.

jmm is best to go after hatton (for the money)

yea sure, so every one can bagg on that win?

[Vasyl’s dad]

you still havent given me a clear answer on why erik morales and barrera are in the skys while marquez is still on soil.

I'm not sure anyone said that, but its not my feeling.

Hes just not as high as they are. Not a knock, but just the way it is.

He lost to guys in his prime that he shouldn't have. They all fought in the same era, JMM just wasn't as good when he needed to be. He only got a bigger name once they were heading for the final turn and Morales and MAB were done.

[Zarco]

I'm not sure anyone said that, but its not my feeling.

Hes just not as high as they are. Not a knock, but just the way it is.

He lost to guys in his prime that he shouldn't have. They all fought in the same era, JMM just wasn't as good when he needed to be. He only got a bigger name once they were heading for the final turn and Morales and MAB were done.

like i said in my thread, he was on the wrong end of a few decisions and people know this.

[oldgringo]

Something I posted on a thread regarding JMM and "ATG" status ( at a time when that word seemed to pop up 300 times on every thread regardless of the topic).

I don't.

Can anyone really say Marquez is one of the 10 greatest at any weight which he participated? Is his overall resume up to par with guys regarded among the top 100 to ever do it? Does he even have a career defining win?

I know we can nitpick anyones career and I don't like to do it, but as far as I'm concerned Marquez has a few nice wins over aging champs like Barrera and Casamayor (ex-champ) and solid middling fighters/titleholders like Juan Diaz. Like many people say, his best performances came in a loss and a draw to MAnny Pacquiao, an all-time great fighter.

His peers whom I hold in higher regard (Morales, Barrera, Pacquiao) all have easy cases to make when you think about the things I pointed out to start my post.

Morales has the defining wins against Barrera, Zaragoza and Pacquiao. He is one of the 3 greatest 122 pounders of all-time and has one hell of an overall resume. His work at 126 and 130 was consistent and impressive considering his competition.

Barrera beat Morales and Hamed in career defining fights. He revived his career twice and reinvented himself during his championship runs. One could make a case that Barrera is top 3-5 all-time at 122 and top 10 at 126.

Pacquiao beat all three of his vaunted Mexican peers in addition to DLH and HAtton. His resume is excellent and he could definitely be considered top 10 at 122 and 130 all-time.

So after all of this, I sum up by saying Marquez is a very good fighter with a lot of talent, but he's not among the very best to ever do it....yet.

Marquez is/was a very good fighter with a considerable amount of skill. Morales and Barrera were well above him legacy-wise in my opinion. I also believe they would have defeated him at each guys respective best.

[Left Hook Tua]

ok i gotcha i was just trying to say casa was a good win for marqez. i thought you were poking only at jmms wins but i guess you think the same about some of pacs. truth is that there is something to be said about every ones wins.

you still havent given me a clear answer on why erik morales and barrera are in the skys while marquez is still on soil.

yea sure, so every one can bagg on that win?

you keep begging for an answer but it's staring you right in the face. look at their records and resume and if you're impartial you'll realize morales and barrera has better resumes.

i'll keep my answer short.

BEFORE MARQUEZ EVEN WON HIS FIRST WORLD TITLE , BARRERA AND MORALES WERE ALREADY CONSIDERED HOF-LEVEL FIGHTERS AND CALLED GREATS



who cares if people bag on a win over hatton? (if jmm can win , i think hatton is capable of beating jmm at 140 or above)

jmm will make a lot of money and secure himself and family financially.

[oldgringo]

It's rare to see a fighter fight the majority of his best opponents in their prime or damned close to it. Erik Morales did that about as well as anyone has.

Hector Acero-Sanchez
Junior Jones
Marco Antonio Barrera
Wayne McCullough
In-Jin Chi
Guty Espadas
Paulie Ayala
Manny Pacquiao
Jesus Chavez
Carlos Hernandez

and so on. He faced and beat very stiff competition throughout his career and was one of the more active champs of his time.

[Left Hook Tua]

like i said in my thread, he was on the wrong end of a few decisions and people know this.

a win is a win and a loss is a loss.

one can argue ken norton beat muhammad ali 3 times. it doesn't change the fact that he lost 2.

[Vasyl’s dad]

like i said in my thread, he was on the wrong end of a few decisions and people know this.

If he was on the wrong end and felt screwed over,


he would do what every fighter who has faced the same problem,

rematch them.

But he didn't.