Cotto looked better against Jennings than Clottey

[Clyde Barrow]

Why would he not? Jennings was a rebound opponent after a violent KO defeat. Clottey is a different animal.

[Stoppage]

I was using Pac as an example of your faulty logic, if you want to discuss this like an adult then read both my posts and give me a better arguement then that, as of right now your not making sense.

I'm talking about the attributes of a fighter.

Using Pacquiao as an example is pointless. I'm not talking about Pacquiao. His attributes didn't decline. His speed and defense were the same in both fights. That's Pacquiao. This thread is about Cotto.

Look at Cotto alone. I'm saying that his punches were slower in the Clottey fight compared to the Jennings fight. SPEED. I'm also saying that his defense was not as good, as he didn't use much body movement.

You need to forget how his performance was against the fighters. I'm just talking about his attributes. Like when saying Ali was faster in his prime than he was past his prime. Or Tyson had better defense in the 80s compared to the 90s.

[sceneboxing]

Look at Cotto alone. I'm saying that his punches were slower in the Clottey fight compared to the Jennings fight. SPEED. I'm also saying that his defense was not as good, as he didn't use much body movement.

Yes, that's because Jennings is nowhere the fighter that Clottey is. Jennings made him look good.

Stop assuming that people didn't read the first post.

[Stoppage]

Yes, that's because Jennings is nowhere the fighter that Clottey is. Jennings made him look good.

Stop assuming that people didn't read the first post.

Well it certainly seems like it. You bring up this opponent excuse again. It has nothing to do with it.

When I'm comparing the speed, I don't look at Jennings. I don't look at Clottey. I look at Cotto. I see a decrease in his punching speed.

[AllEyesOpen]

I'm talking about the attributes of a fighter.

Using Pacquiao as an example is pointless. I'm not talking about Pacquiao. His attributes didn't decline. His speed and defense were the same in both fights. That's Pacquiao. This thread is about Cotto.

Look at Cotto alone. I'm saying that his punches were slower in the Clottey fight compared to the Jennings fight. SPEED. I'm also saying that his defense was not as good, as he didn't use much body movement.

You need to forget how his performance was against the fighters. I'm just talking about his attributes. Like when saying Ali was faster in his prime than he was past his prime. Or Tyson had better defense in the 80s compared to the 90s.

What you don't seem to understand is that it's all relative, he looked faster against a slower fighter, Pac looked like a god against(and compared to) Diaz, does that mean he was slower against Marquez, or less skilled; No he was just facing a all around better fighter.

[KennyWeldon]

How was Cotto supposed to not Look good against Jennings??? He was just a tune up, Clottey is real world class fighter so it's common sense that Cotto would have trouble with a real opponent like Clottey that everybody has been avoiding because he's a high risk low reward fighter

[AllEyesOpen]

Well it certainly seems like it. You bring up this opponent excuse again. It has nothing to do with it.

When I'm comparing the speed, I don't look at Jennings. I don't look at Clottey. I look at Cotto. I see a decrease in his punching speed.

Like I said before. I wasn't looking at the opponents when comparing speed. I was looking at Cotto. That's what you're supposed to do when comparing a fighters attributes in one fight to the other.

You might not be trying to but that what happens, unless you can put the Cotto from the Jennings fight and the Cotto from the Clottey fight side by side. Cotto looks faster against the opponent not against himself.

[Stoppage]

What you don't seem to understand is that it's all relative, he looked faster against a slower fighter, Pac looked like a god against(and compared to) Diaz, does that mean he was slower against Marquez, or less skilled; No he was just facing a all around better fighter.

Like I said before. I wasn't looking at the opponents when comparing speed. I was looking at Cotto. That's what you're supposed to do when comparing a fighters attributes in one fight to the other.

[-Antonio-]

Movement and weak 1-2's won't beat Cotto anyway. Even if Jennings was on Clottey's level. Clottey's shell defense and precision made him difficult to beat.