Cotto looked better against Jennings than Clottey

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  • The_Demon
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    #11
    Originally posted by Stoppage
    It seems people have know idea what they're even writing about.

    I'm telling you all to look at the attributes. Don't look at how easy it was to beat one of them from the other. Look at his attributes. His speed was better and his defense was better. Opponents have nothing to do with how your speed and defense is. It's either you have the same speed and defense in every fight or you don't.
    no you are missing the point
    jennings was there too be taken out and clottey is impossible too look good against and a tough mother****er-if you thought cotto was going too look as good against clottey as he did against jennings then you must be getting confused

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    • -Lowkey-
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      #12
      well if your are fighting a guy who is not as good as you in any way shape or form it obviously makes you look good maybe even better than you realy are

      when your fighting someone just as good or nearly as good as yourself with a huge gash over your eye it is no suprize his attibutes didnt look as good

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      • Stoppage
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        #13
        If you can honestly say that Cotto had the same defense in the Jennings fight as he did in the Clottey fight, I think you need to watch the fights again.

        Cotto's body movement in the Jennings fight added to his defense. I didn't see much of that in the Clottey fight. With Cotto's style, body movement is necessary.

        And his punches were a lot slower against Clottey than Jennings. How is his punching speed effected by who he fights? It's either he's as fast in one fight or he isn't.

        It doesn't really take a scientist to notice that.

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        • biglou88
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          #14
          Originally posted by chibomber
          Well let me state the obvious. No one has ever looked good against Clottey.

          And as for your statement opponents have everything to do with how fast you are depending on your syle. If you know you can take someones punches you know you can blitz them and be quicker in the process. As the level of competition rises then you might take your time. It all depends on your gameplan. You can only do so much with one eye. And as far as defense, does anyone really need defense to beat jennings?
          Finally someone who knows what he's talking about.

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          • savorduhflavor
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            #15
            Cotto had the same defense in the Jennings fight than he had in the Clottey fight.

            My defense would look great against a 15 year old amateur. Against a golden gloves winner it wouldn't look so good. It absolutely matters who you're facing. He employed the same defense but the execution was different because of the fighter he was fighting. This isn't even debatable.

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            • Stoppage
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              #16
              Originally posted by savorduhflavor
              Cotto had the same defense in the Jennings fight than he had in the Clottey fight.

              My defense would look great against a 15 year old amateur. Against a golden gloves winner it wouldn't look so good. It absolutely matters who you're facing. He employed the same defense but the execution was different because of the fighter he was fighting. This isn't even debatable.
              You need to re-watch the fights.

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              • No1
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                #17
                well clottey is a huge welterweight, his defence is near inpregnable, his chin is inhuman and he's strong as an ox. Its hard to break that kinda fighter down and cotto buillied him around the ring for a while, also add to the fact that cotto was basically fighting with one eye from round 3 i think. Any fighter would poor against clottey.

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                • savorduhflavor
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Stoppage
                  You need to re-watch the fights.
                  I've watched both fights many times, was at the Clottey fight. It was the same Cotto. There is zero doubt. Jennings couldn't take advantage of the holes in Cotto's defense like Clottey could. That's the only difference. Cotto's cut didn't help, but it's much easier to use defense against a simple 1-2 than it is against a guy with Clottey's arsenal.

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                  • PensionKiller
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                    #19
                    I look good fighting my 12 year old cousin, but VS someone my own size, I look normal. Same with a top quality boxer VS someone C level. Cotto is good, I'd say A- and Clottey is a B+. Not much difference in it and therefore he didn't look as great.

                    Also styles can make someone look different. Against Mosley, Cotto had good timing and they looked the same in speed and power. However if there was a machine test, Mosely would have the faster hands and power.

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                    • Stoppage
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by savorduhflavor
                      I've watched both fights many times, was at the Clottey fight. It was the same Cotto. There is zero doubt. Jennings couldn't take advantage of the holes in Cotto's defense like Clottey could. That's the only difference. Cotto's cut didn't help, but it's much easier to use defense against a simple 1-2 than it is against a guy with Clottey's arsenal.
                      I don't know what you're seeing but I saw things differently. I'm not talking about how many times he got hit by Clottey. Clottey is a much better fighter than Jennings. I'm talking about how his defense was in general. His body movement wasn't there that night.

                      If you watched the fights you would see that his speed was a lot better in the Jennings fight. Just because his name is Clottey doesn't mean he makes Cotto slower. You need speed in order to defeat someone like Clottey and he didn't have it that night.

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