Answer me this about Floyd...Larry X and Horus especially

[djsygo]

thiose fighters want to fight Floyd? They need to call him out...then hell decide. Hes not going to call out anyone like someone who is in need, like a sugar shane. But they arent (except Shane and PWill, wo whould get their lifetime payday but wouldnt bring nothing to the table). Those guys (Cotto and Pac) are told not to call Floyd out, their handlers want to play the waiting game as well.

Many of you guys are very naive believing these fighter handle their job like they were living in your back yard and wanted to pick a fight against the latest bully just to show they are the best. Boxing is a money business first, and not just for Floyd.

[Talisayen]

commonsense.

Who gives Gayweather advice if he wants to invest on boats?

[Horus]

Than why is it when Cotto or Manny do these things the *****'s say they need to be out on their own? They also have a team and are doing for themselves what is successful. seems a bit of a double standard, no?

it is only a double standard from people who ask why dont certain fighters called out certain fighters...

The double standard comes when Someone says, All why does such and such call out a top WW....disreguarding the the business aspect.

but then agrues that Another fighters never calls his opponents out...
and should not called them out because it is bad for business.

thats the double standard.


I myself, Only used double standards when they themselves are being used against me.. And when I used them, I used them to show the contradictions

btw, Cotto is not on top!

[Vasyl’s dad]

During the interview with R.A he was asked who is he going to fight next and he said its up to his people. I thought he is his own boss?
Why does Ellerbe or Haymon have a say
they are just there to crunch numbers and give massages

so if he is his own boss why doesnt he just come out and say this is who I want make it happen.
Thats what oscar did and he made it happen

http://boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273217

[JAB5239]

it is only a double standard from people who ask why dont certain fighters called out certain fighters...

The double standard comes when Someone says, All why does such and such call out a top WW....disreguarding the the business aspect.

but then agrues that Another fighters never calls his opponents out...
and should not called them out because it is bad for business.

thats the double standard.


I myself, Only used double standards when they themselves are being used against me.. And when I used them, I used them to show the contradictions

btw, Cotto is not on top!

I'm just thinking back to when Cotto established himself as the best welter in the world before the Marg fight and would say after his fights that he'd let his team determine who was next. Everybody wanted to see him fight Floyd, but floyd fans complained he needed to call Floyd out, and stop letting his team make decisions for him. Looking back it seems like a bunch of hypocrisy from floyd's minions considering he is doing the exact same thing now.

[Eaner0919]

couple of things

I think it's well within Mayweather's rights to be coy about who he is fighting next when we are on the eve of a potentially big fight that could define clearly his next opponent. I think it gives him enough wiggle room to go in other directions should the outcome not go to his liking. Cannot hate on that, that is actually smart business sense


HOWEVER

he is first and foremost a fighter (or boxer or whatever you want to label him) and fighters SHOULD have a desire to fight the best, or the biggest, or the baddest that makes it okay to state because it shows desire and that IMO is something the non fans want out of Floyd a bit.

They miss the days of 130 and 135 where he was building his brand name and fighting the best all in the same direction. That has severly changed to now his business saavy plays more a role than his fighting instincts.

that showing of desire that animated drive is what has been lacking from Floyd for quite some time.

THATS why Floyd has such extreme hatred

I for one would never discredit someone from taking what they can from the sport to take care of their own. It's smart to layout a future post boxing that can sustain yourself because Lord knows boxers rarely do that.

BUT you cannot possibly sell youself as anything other than a business oriented boxer if that's what your perception has become so fans of Floyd and Floyd himself shouldn't get so heated when non fans question his heart or his desire and non fans of Floyd really shouldn't be too hard on Floyd if this is the path he so chooses

[Horus]

I'm just thinking back to when Cotto established himself as the best welter in the world before the Marg fight and would say after his fights that he'd let his team determine who was next. Everybody wanted to see him fight Floyd, but floyd fans complained he needed to call Floyd out, and stop letting his team make decisions for him. Looking back it seems like a bunch of hypocrisy from floyd's minions considering he is doing the exact same thing now.

Cotto is not on top..and he is not in the same position as Mayweather or Pacquiao. He needs them more than they need him...

So floyd fans had a point and saying Cotto needs to get off his ass.
and do what a challenger is suppose to do.

[RodBarker]

Cause he doesnt know yet, he needs to see his potential opponents first to see how they perform.

He wants to find a fight that gives him alot of money and the least threat.

Its ****ing pathetic

Thats where you got it wrong its a compromise and all fighters operate the same way , all fighters will fight for the most money not just Floyd you better believe that , when a fighters potential opponents is very close to earning capacity on the money scale he will then select whats best for him in terms of career fans legacy threat , a fighters choices of opponents are based on his prestige and standing at the time , this why coming up fighters are very hungry will fight low pay big risk ,, the higher up the hill you get the more you can please yourself in who you need to fight , when your not the top dog you need to to take more risk to be the top dog , Look at Oscar for instance when he was a marketing god he still fought Carr , Gatti , Coley , Forbes and Pac , whats the difference between Baldy and Diaz and Jennings or Gomez , whats the difference between Oscar fighting Forbes and JMM fighting Floyd , Floyd fought the top fighters up to 140 and he is about to fight the elite of 147 after having beat good solid fighters in the WW division in Judah Baldy Mitchell and Oscar , he only needs a few elite scalps like Cotto Mosley , Pac if he beats Cotto ,, thats all it will take to put the plum on top of a very sound prestigious career ,,,,, your attitude is coming out of a school yard hate session that applys special rules to Floyd , because you never give credit only hate , he is still fighting its not over yet ,,,, tell me who is your favorite fighter right now and lets apply the standard Floyd is held too to him .

[JAB5239]

Cotto is not on top..and he is not in the same position as Mayweather or Pacquiao. He needs them more than they need him...

So floyd fans had a point and saying Cotto needs to get off his ass.
and do what a challenger is suppose to do.

I thought a challenger was supposed to beat the best comp available? Wasn't Cotto doing that till the Margarito fight? Since the Margarito fight? Hasn't Mosley done that since the Cotto fight? These guys have repeatedly proven themselves by not just taking on, but by beating the best at 147. It baffles me how you can make an exception for Floyd who has proven he is not willing to step up to the best unless they bring a certain amount of money with them.

[Horus]

I thought a challenger was supposed to beat the best comp available? Wasn't Cotto doing that till the Margarito fight? Since the Margarito fight? Hasn't Mosley done that since the Cotto fight? These guys have repeatedly proven themselves by not just taking on, but by beating the best at 147. It baffles me how you can make an exception for Floyd who has proven he is not willing to step up to the best unless they bring a certain amount of money with them.

Jab, Honeslty I can go 2 ways with this post.

1. Competely, Just pulled Rank and Start Comparing Credentials And then ask why both Cotto and "The Juice Man" turn down fights with Mayweather earlier in their career, when Mayweather was looking to fight them.

2.I can tell you, Exception are made all the time in boxing. and Give you the history. Then Explain to you how Fighters become bigger than the rest when They become better than the rest.
than exceptions are made.
Ask Dempsey,SRR,Ali,SRL,Chavez, Tyson,Oscar, Mayweather

You choose which argument, you want to hear.

BTW,

Shane "THE JUICE MAN" Mosley
How I feel about "THE JUICE MAN"

1. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=314061
2. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=276571
3. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=277335