I like Paul Williams but what I don't get about him is...

[IMDAZED]

what the hell? what are you 12?

i dont like paul because he talks so much smack hes like a tarver he talks all this and that but when he gets his ass kicked he makes excuses...hes a diva but hasnt proved to be elite he beat a 900 yr old phillips and winky who looked like **** in his previous fight and was inactive for 2 yrs pwill needs to fight quintana who has expressed that he wants to fight him numerous times but pwill doesnt want it kirkland called him out but pwill thinking hes a superstar said that kirkland doesnt have a big enough fanbase to fight him


hes not feared....every one knows if you say anything long enough people will believe you...he has nothing but his reach and stamina cant fight inside cant box has overrated power

So who could he beat that would make you think he's elite?

[tocayito1]

None of those guys stand up to a Winky. None. Paul Williams wants big fights because all fighters do. In the mean time, he's taking on tough opponents, something NOT all fighters do.

i didnt say they did but in name recognition they do stand up to winky and thats what got fmj oscar because oscar saw an opportunity for a big money fight

[IMDAZED]

I'm cool on Williams, I don't like to go overboard on him as I think he is kind of a piss poor technician but dude can fight and deserves some respect. He is not an easy dude to defeat I know that for certain.

I agree, Williams is flawed. Bad. But I love his attitude. If we had more fighters like him, we'd get good fights every week. It's one thing to talk trash, it's another to actually be willing to back it up. I'm bemused at posts saying he should stop talking and fight guys like Cintron when this guy was about to step in the ring with Pavlik

And for the TS, you mentioned he was going to fight Pavlik because there was no one else to fight...exactly.

[IMDAZED]

i didnt say they did but in name recognition they do stand up to winky and thats what got fmj oscar because oscar saw an opportunity for a big money fight

We're not discussing name recognition. We're discussing what he can do to GET name recognition. And you said he's not elite. Well, what opponent would prove he is?

[Hopkiller]

I agree, Williams is flawed. Bad. But I love his attitude. If we had more fighters like him, we'd get good fights every week. It's one thing to talk trash, it's another to actually be willing to back it up. I'm bemused at posts saying he should stop talking and fight guys like Cintron when this guy was about to step in the ring with Pavlik

And for the TS, you mentioned he was going to fight Pavlik because there was no one else to fight...exactly.

That's a good point. True to that.

[tocayito1]

So who could he beat that would make you think he's elite?

if he beats martinez i would think hes elite at jmw if he beats pavlik he is the man at mw...the reason i dont like pwill is the way he carries himself and thinks hes owed everything...especially fighters who make excuses for losses

[Khalid X]

But what did Floyd do in between Castillo and Oscar that made him worthy of a shot at Oscar? Yeah he dominated cats...who? Were they better than Winky? Verno Phillips? Who in that five year span?

Floyd's domination of Corrales was better than Paul's win over Winky and Verno considering the circumstance. Corrales at the time was a beast at 130. He was undefeated and was obliterating other top names such as Manfredy etc. Winky, is the better fighter, but when Paul beat him he was 37 years old, came off a 2 year layoff, so his name had lost alot of its buzz. Verno Phillips was almost 40 and was completely done as a fighter. It didnt show because at 154 was establish to expose him until Paul came along and crushed him.

So to answer the part of who else for Floyd; He dominated Judah who was a good fighter, dominated Gatti who was a fan favorite,dominated Jesus Chavez, beat the best at 130(corrales), the best at 135 (castillo) became the man at 147 and p4p the best fighter due to his work at 130-147. After putting in that type of work, he was able to get his big fight in Oscar.

[IMDAZED]

if he beats martinez i would think hes elite at jmw if he beats pavlik he is the man at mw...the reason i dont like pwill is the way he carries himself and thinks hes owed everything...especially fighters who make excuses for losses

So you rate Martinez higher than Winky, I'm assuming.

Also, specifically, what did Williams say that makes you think he feels he's owed everything?

[tocayito1]

We're not discussing name recognition. We're discussing what he can do to GET name recognition. And you said he's not elite. Well, what opponent would prove he is?

he just has to fight at his level...hes not elite yet..he can fight martinez and the other guy i cant spell his name and that would be big because he would be the man at jmw then by that time he can get pavlik...the way to get a big name is to fight everybody thats what oscar did and what manny/cotto have been doing...the biggest thing is to be active and make your record as impressive as possible to the point where there is reward in beating him because right now fighting pwill is all risk and no reward

[JohnCIV6]

So you rate Martinez higher than Winky, I'm assuming.

Also, specifically, what did Williams say that makes you think he feels he's owed everything?

Why don't you give out your opinion for once, instead of begging for others opinions so you can pik at them.. Your arguments are weak as ***. Leave this forum.