the p4p list challenge

[Spray_resistant]

if it is about skill why calderon is not in the top 5???
he is the best skill boxer around.
he even outboxed de la hoya in sparring.

noone in the p4p list except floyd has more skill than calderon

If I wanted to I could do that as anyone could do with any skilled top fighter, just forget about the pretend p4p rankings.....this thread explains it all read and make a choice for yourself.....to me p4p rankings are a joke, I am just Frochin around in this thread because I can't have serious discussion about them.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=315968

[ummid]

first, my "second and third paragraph" dont contradict each other at all...you might want to take an english class or something...or check out a dictionary from your local library...just stop embarrassing yourself...

back to point...like i said...im more of a pac fan than floyd...but floyd is simply better...feel free to disagree, but just stop embarrassing yourself for everyone elses sake...

u mad (sorry couldn't resist)

no, seriously i am not disagreeing with you at all that pbf may be better than pac in terms of skills. what i am trying to debate here is if skills alone should be enough of a basis for p4p list. if you want to base your own p4p on that criterion alone, knock yourself out it's your own choice. all i'm saying is that pbf could fight no names the next 5 years and he would still end up on top of your list.

i'm a floyd mayweather jr fan.

[#4#king]

u mad (sorry couldn't resist)

no, seriously i am not disagreeing with you at all that pbf may be better than pac in terms of skills. what i am trying to debate here is if skills alone should be enough of a basis for p4p list. if you want to base your own p4p on that criterion alone, knock yourself out it's your own choice. all i'm saying is that pbf could fight no names the next 5 years and he would still end up on top of your list.

i'm a floyd mayweather jr fan.

cheers brother...i have no issue with people disagreeing with my list...i just like good boxing conversation...

IMO, the p4p list takes into account all factors, including competition, skill, ease of victory, exitement, etc., etc...

truly, if pac was still fighting at 130 id have him at no. 1 p4p, but hes fighting at WW now along with floyd...in that case, youd be an idiot to say pac is a better WW than floyd, IMO...

[S.G.]

With a P4P list you gotta take both skill/hypothetical match-ups and recent accomplishments into consideration

Afterall, how can you determine how good someone is until they've reached the stage where they're fighting guys of their own level. I do think, however, that a lot of people's P4P rankings these days are too much like a weight division's rankings and don't take pure ability into account enough.

I'd say #1 can justifiably be either Pacquiao or Mayweather Jnr. #3 and #4 should be Hopkins and J. Marquez in some order - I don't think JMM's loss to Floyd will have affected his P4P standing too much considering (a) the weight difference, (b) how good Floyd is and (c) his recent wins prior to the loss. Outside of the top 4 I think a lot is dependent on whether you choose to include Vazquez and R. Marquez - personally I do and would place them at #5 and #6 respectively. Then you got Mosley and Cotto who should not be far from each other, and a case could be made for either man over the other in my opinion. Then for the final two spots there are a few guys that could take either. Williams is deserving of a spot for me, and then I'd probably stick Donaire at 10th. Calderon has a shout but he hasn't been very impressive of late.

[#4#king]

With a P4P list you gotta take both skill/hypothetical match-ups and recent accomplishments into consideration

Afterall, how can you determine how good someone is until they've reached the stage where they're fighting guys of their own level. I do think, however, that a lot of people's P4P rankings these days are too much like a weight division's rankings and don't take pure ability into account enough.

I'd say #1 can justifiably be either Pacquiao or Mayweather Jnr. #3 and #4 should be Hopkins and J. Marquez in some order - I don't think JMM's loss to Floyd will have affected his P4P standing too much considering (a) the weight difference, (b) how good Floyd is and (c) his recent wins prior to the loss. Outside of the top 4 I think a lot is dependent on whether you choose to include Vazquez and R. Marquez - personally I do and would place them at #5 and #6 respectively. Then you got Mosley and Cotto who should not be far from each other, and a case could be made for either man over the other in my opinion. Then for the final two spots there are a few guys that could take either. Williams is deserving of a spot for me, and then I'd probably stick Donaire at 10th. Calderon has a shout but he hasn't been very impressive of late.

you have vasquez and marquez at 5th and 6th? id disagree for the simple fact that they are both shot fighters waiting for one or two more paydays...

thats the exact same reason i think is odd to have b-hop no. 3 overall...i love the guy, but hes almost 45, and hes fignting some bum for his next fight...

odd...i dont hear anybody calling bhop out for dodging adamak, bute, andrade, etc like they do with floyd...

love this sport...hate how the perception of it works...just between you and i ;-)

[#4#king]

one more point, for all the people who diss the ring for its rankings, you guys sure seem to think the ring's rankings are pretty solid...

[ThePunchingBag]

one more point, for all the people who diss the ring for its rankings, you guys sure seem to think the ring's rankings are pretty solid...

Better than the rest of the ones you posted. Everyone has their own lists that make sense to them. If you post yours up on the forum for all to see than you have to be willing to take criticism on it.

[#4#king]

Better than the rest of the ones you posted. Everyone has their own lists that make sense to them. If you post yours up on the forum than you have to be willing to take criticism on it.

for sure dude...like i said, this aint about me...just about good old boxing conversation...

my point about the ring was there has been quite a few people recently that have indicated the ring has lost credibility with them...i left a "none of the above" option for that very reason...

but its all good...for each their own...just a tad funny to me that so many people rip the ring and then vote for it anyways...

[ThePunchingBag]

for sure dude...like i said, this aint about me...just about good old boxing conversation...

my point about the ring was there has been quite a few people recently that have indicated the ring has lost credibility with them...i left a "none of the above" option for that very reason...

but its all good...for each their own...just a tad funny to me that so man people rip the ring and then vote for it anyways...

Out of the 3 The ring makes the most sense. I don't know anyone that has Dawson over Cotto, or Donaire over Cotto. IMO Cotto should be in the top 5. Mayweather should be below B-Hop until he fights a legit Welterweight.

A more legit list imo would look like this.

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
4. Sugar Shane Mosley
5. Miguel Angel Cotto
6. Paul Williams
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Arthur Abraham
9. Tomasz Adamek
10. Israel Vasquez

8, 9, 10 are up for debate but 1-7 is solid.

It will probably change by the end of this year.

[-EAGLE-]

Out of the 3 The ring makes the most sense. I don't know anyone that has Dawson over Cotto, or Donaire over Cotto. IMO Cotto should be in the top 5. Mayweather should be below B-Hop until he fights a legit Welterweight.

A more legit list imo would look like this.

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
4. Sugar Shane Mosley
5. Miguel Angel Cotto
6. Paul Williams
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Arthur Abraham
9. Tomasz Adamek
10. Israel Vasquez

8, 9, 10 are up for debate but 1-7 is solid.

It will probably change by the end of this year.

Yea i agree with the list only would replace Vazquez with Kessler.