Manny Pacquiao: true champion? or just a belt winner?

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    Manny Pacquiao: true champion? or just a belt winner?

    So much is made of Manny Pacquiao's rise from a 106 pound fighter to the #1 P4P fighter and current junior wleterweight champion, and rightfully so. Pac has faced good competition consistently and seems to get better each time he gets bigger.

    But one question that should be asked is: What does becoming a seven division world champion mean if you weren't defending your title?

    Don't get me wrong, at 130 pounds, Manny was a legit champion. He took on the best of the division and defended his title often. But since his move to lightweight, where he won his 5th division crown against a mediocre titlist in David Diaz, it seems defending your crown is not important anymore. It's more about being able to say you're a 7 division champion.

    Let's be realistic. Manny is already considered a 6 division champ even though all he did at lightweight was beat probably the worst titlist of the bunch and never defended his title. Now let's say he beats Cotto for his 7th division, what are the chances of him actually defending that title? If you think he's going to fight Floyd next, then maybe he will, but then he's neglecting another belt, the Ring belt at 140. Either way, he'll be a 7 division champion that only really actively defended his title in 3 of those divisions (flyweight, super bantam, and super feather).

    Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter and an ATG already. His accomplishments are tremendous even if holes can be poked in his legacy, but one must ask if Pacquiao wins against Cotto, is Manny Pacquiao really a 7 division champion? Or just a 7 division belt grabber? If there's no distinction to you, I guess I'm just old fashioned.
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    #2
    4 linear titles speaks for itself




    nothing to prove since he beat people that are kingpins in their respective divisions

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      #3
      Originally posted by dans01234
      So much is made of Manny Pacquiao's rise from a 106 pound fighter to the #1 P4P fighter and current junior wleterweight champion, and rightfully so. Pac has faced good competition consistently and seems to get better each time he gets bigger.

      But one question that should be asked is: What does becoming a seven division world champion mean if you weren't defending your title?

      Don't get me wrong, at 130 pounds, Manny was a legit champion. He took on the best of the division and defended his title often. But since his move to lightweight, where he won his 5th division crown against a mediocre titlist in David Diaz, it seems defending your crown is not important anymore. It's more about being able to say you're a 7 division champion.

      Let's be realistic. Manny is already considered a 6 division champ even though all he did at lightweight was beat probably the worst titlist of the bunch and never defended his title. Now let's say he beats Cotto for his 7th division, what are the chances of him actually defending that title? If you think he's going to fight Floyd next, then maybe he will, but then he's neglecting another belt, the Ring belt at 140. Either way, he'll be a 7 division champion that only really actively defended his title in 3 of those divisions (flyweight, super bantam, and super feather).

      Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter and an ATG already. His accomplishments are tremendous even if holes can be poked in his legacy, but one must ask if Pacquiao wins against Cotto, is Manny Pacquiao really a 7 division champion? Or just a 7 division belt grabber? If there's no distinction to you, I guess I'm just old fashioned.
      His title at 135 was obviously a paper title.

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        #4
        Originally posted by pacman777
        4 linear titles speaks for itself
        Of course they do, but can you really call yourself a true great champion if you're not defending your title?

        I'm not taking anything from Pacquiao as a fighter, only the 7 division claim if he beats Cotto.

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          #5
          Originally posted by pacman777
          4 linear titles speaks for itself




          nothing to prove since he beat people that are kingpins in their respective divisions
          Like David Diaz?

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          • dans
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            #6
            Originally posted by IMDAZED
            His title at 135 was obviously a paper title.
            If he beats Cotto for his 7th division, how serious would you take the statement, "Manny Pacquiao is a 7 division champion"?

            To me it's misleading.

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              #7
              Manny is a 4 division Champion(112,126,130,140) and is a 4 division title holder(112,122,130,135)

              He is aiming for a 5th division belt, not championship!!!

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                #8
                Pac is a lineal champion in 4 divisions. The other belts he won are just a little something extra. He's hardly the only fighter to win a belt he did not defend.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by dans01234
                  If he beats Cotto for his 7th division, how serious would you take the statement, "Manny Pacquiao is a 7 division champion"?

                  To me it's misleading.
                  I don't pay attention to much of that. More important than what is who and more important than who is when.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Clyde Barrow
                    Pac is a lineal champion in 4 divisions. The other belts he won are just a little something extra. He's hardly the only fighter to win a belt he did not defend.
                    Right. I think pretty much everyone accepted back then that Diaz wasn't the most stellar opponent, but it's always nice to win a belt and he did it with ease. So why not? It's not like he struggled with Diaz, he went in there, tore him apart and took his ****. Nothing wrong with that.



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