Manny Pacquiao: true champion? or just a belt winner?

[myooosic]

why stay and make little money defending titles from fighters noone wants to see, wen he can go fight bigger names and get more belts for his resume with waaay bigger payday. manny cant make money alone, his opponent needs to be a fighter people want to see. this is his job ... to make a lot of money. theres no other fighters out there people would pay to watch manny fight except hatton, hoya, cotto, floyd, shane, marquez, margarito, and all the other mainstream dudes people only care about.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

I will actually second that. Riding the sport of the annual DLH mega-scam was a big plus for the sport as a whole, even though it hurts with the casual fans.

Only thing I disagree with is giving Pac "all the credit". DLH was past it and completely weight drained (even Roach admits that). Still, it was a great performance for Pac.

ALL THE CREDIT


the truth comes out when you fight PAC...and the truth was: Oscar is a ***** and he was finally exposed

[fightfan_79]

Why would they have more credibility? I'd take GreatA's opinion over Dan Rafael's any day.

And what is Great A's opinion regarding Pac currently being a 6 division "title holder" gunning for history in being the only 7 "division title holder"?

[Pullcounter]

Oscar was at 146 or 147 on fight night.

that was dlh's decision, not anyone else's. can't blame pac for that.

Aside from Mosely or Mayweather, I'd say Cotto is the toughest fight for Manny period.

exactly... so people need to stop crying.

Why is this so tough to understand?

I'm not questioning Manny's ability or even his decisions on who he fought. I'm not even questioning the legitimacy or level of challenge associated with his wins. The only thing I'm challenging is the claim of "6/7 division world champion". When, in one of those division (lightweight), he made a pit stop to gobble up another division, and the other (welterweight) his people required a catchweight to snatch another division. IMO, at the end of Manny's career he will be referred to as a 6/7 division champion, but he really only ruled 4 divisions. No?

then make the distinction!

I don't get why you're so upset about it. yes he is a 6/7 division champ.

yes he only ruled 4 divisions.

nothing wrong about that.

[top7gun]

So much is made of Manny Pacquiao's rise from a 106 pound fighter to the #1 P4P fighter and current junior wleterweight champion, and rightfully so. Pac has faced good competition consistently and seems to get better each time he gets bigger.

But one question that should be asked is: What does becoming a seven division world champion mean if you weren't defending your title?

Don't get me wrong, at 130 pounds, Manny was a legit champion. He took on the best of the division and defended his title often. But since his move to lightweight, where he won his 5th division crown against a mediocre titlist in David Diaz, it seems defending your crown is not important anymore. It's more about being able to say you're a 7 division champion.

Let's be realistic. Manny is already considered a 6 division champ even though all he did at lightweight was beat probably the worst titlist of the bunch and never defended his title. Now let's say he beats Cotto for his 7th division, what are the chances of him actually defending that title? If you think he's going to fight Floyd next, then maybe he will, but then he's neglecting another belt, the Ring belt at 140. Either way, he'll be a 7 division champion that only really actively defended his title in 3 of those divisions (flyweight, super bantam, and super feather).

Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter and an ATG already. His accomplishments are tremendous even if holes can be poked in his legacy, but one must ask if Pacquiao wins against Cotto, is Manny Pacquiao really a 7 division champion? Or just a 7 division belt grabber? If there's no distinction to you, I guess I'm just old fashioned.

bull****.......

[WhoreUs]

Why would they have more credibility? I'd take GreatA's opinion over Dan Rafael's any day.

dan rafael once ate 14 big macs in one sitting.

manchine can't do that ****.

[dans]

ALL THE CREDIT


the truth comes out when you fight PAC...and the truth was: Oscar is a ***** and he was finally exposed

Manny Pacquiao is an A level fighter.

Oscar De La Hoya could never beat a prime A level fighter. The closest he ever came was Tito Trinidad. Other than that, here's the other A level fighters he fought:
Pernell Whitaker (past prime - DLH wins a controversial decision)
Julio Cesar Chavez (past prime - DLH wins)
Hector Camacho (past prime - DLH wins)
Shane Mosley (lost twice)
Bernard Hopkins (lost)
Floyd Mayweather Jr. (lost)
Manny Pacquiao (lost)

Manny beating Oscar proved nothing we didn't know already.

[dans]

then make the distinction!

I don't get why you're so upset about it. yes he is a 6/7 division champ.

yes he only ruled 4 divisions.

nothing wrong about that.

I do make the distintion. And again that doesn't take away from what he does, just puts it into greater perspective.

[joartcc5]

Go cry mama.

If u have even the simplest of logic... ud surmise Im not really arguing w him but using him as a tool.

Of course such complicated precepts are beyond u.

Now if ud excuse me.

Lineal titles... having 4 of em... shuts everybody up.

[Alibata]

Manny Pacquiao is an A level fighter.

Oscar De La Hoya could never beat a prime A level fighter. The closest he ever came was Tito Trinidad. Other than that, here's the other A level fighters he fought:
Pernell Whitaker (past prime - DLH wins a controversial decision)
Julio Cesar Chavez (past prime - DLH wins)
Hector Camacho (past prime - DLH wins)
Shane Mosley (lost twice)
Bernard Hopkins (lost)
Floyd Mayweather Jr. (lost)
Manny Pacquiao (lost)

Manny beating Oscar proved nothing we didn't know already.

That is a great list of fighters you have there beating Oscar. I think DlH beat Trinidad though but he deserves the L for running. Manny is most unlikely fighter to be on that list. It is amazing he is on that list with Bernard Hopkins now a light heavyweight and ATG middleweight. Who would have thought they would ever have a common opponent. You gotta give it up to Manny for that.