How many great fighters does Floyd have to beat?

[Syf]

why do you think they only judge presidents in hindsight? because only then can you put everything into consideration.. it's the only way to really look at something objectively.

anyway, even so.. I am not looking at it in hindsight since the fights I mentioned happened BEFORE and not AFTER. So your point is invalid and mute. Hatton was another big money fight.. he draws a large crowed but that's about it.

Um What?

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The very definition of the word defies the restraints you attempt to put on it. You are defining the worth of fighters AFTER their fights with Mayweather. Not before.

And Presidents are judged in hindsight its true, but the context of history is used, which is why I mentioned context in the first place. You can't selectively choose what you do and don't want to accept. True objectivity is used by considering context. Which you don't seem to do at all. You just redefine past events as you see fit, and throw labels around at whim.

You might try to weasel a few into believing that Mayweather has done all that he possibly can but the majority know that it's not true and they are not buying it.
He hasn't done all that he can legacy wise and is just fighting for money.

I agree here..I never said he did. But I tone down the ridicule of who he has fought. I mean I even said Baldomir was an uninspired choice. Same with Brusseles (sp?)...ect.

And you might try to pass off your posts as objective and fair, but its obvious and clear you hold a streak of bias, deep within, and you would not be this critical of your favorite fighter, cotto or whoever. And one can easily be critical of any fighter through hindsight, if they so wish. Which you, and others, obviously do. Even Cotto can be criticized, I could think of several different ways to right now. But you choose not to and so do I. See, in the end you are making a choice.

Floyd stopped caring for legacy after Castillo.. and uhm, no.. Castillo won the first fight.
It is widely agreed.. 70% of fans believe so as well. Nothing to do with the commentating or the compubox as that doesn't come into consideration when scoring around.. so again, sorry, but your point is mute.

How do you come by these numbers and statistics? I suppose Sin City of boxingscene has his finger on the pulse of the entire boxing community, and can tell what everyone thinks to within +/- 5%.. Right. Let me know how that works for ya.

Well then we fundamentally disagree, nothing too out of the ordinary there. People tend to do that. Some, more maturely than others. Floyd WAS picking up a large portion of the shots that were given credit, with his defensive work. and just for your mental nourishment, the word is: moot, not mute. Have a nice day.

[swizz]

it doesnt matter people hate floyd is easier to hate than give someone their due

[Ravishing]

LOL some of you are too, too infatuated with Floyd.

Ya'll should be agreeing with people that he should still fight the best and not always try to back up his accomplishments to make it seem like a fight with Mosley, Cotto, or Pacquiao wont hold any merit in his career.

What "true" fans do that? lol

[shade darkar]

This guy stopped the late great champions Gatti & Diego. He beat 2 undefeated champions in Diego & Hatton in their prime. He has beaten future hall of Famers like Oscar & Marquez. He holds victories against former champions like Hernandez, Castillo twice, Judah, Baldomir & Mitchell.

If Floyd beak King Kong what BS would the haters come up with then?


PS I think they would say it was only because Floyd was a human.

mayweather doesnt hekp himself by picking on an already blown up lightweight and then have the cheek to weigh in overweight.

[Syf]

[B]This is pretty much it.

Naturally, there are "haters", but the majority of people who are critical of Mayweather since leaving 135, are boxing fans and have a legit gripe. "Haters", would not give Floyd any credit, at any weight class, however, the overwhelming majority give him his just due at 35 and below.

However, a fighter nor his fans can say hes great above that if he simply hasn't proved it against the best of the weight class hes fighting in. Thats not "hate", thats logical reason.

Most "haters" don't want to think of themselves as such... So they give Floyd some backhanded credit from earlier in his career to make themselves feel all justified and fuzzy inside while immersed in their bias.

He's fought against SOME of the best opposition he could,... AT the time. And then, sometimes he didn't. As I said before, the moment he defeats these people they lose value to you cats. Same would go for anyone, and like I said, even if he mollifies you personally by fighting everyone you want him to fight, a new batch of haters will pop up, and say... "Well why hasn't he fought THIS person?"

Its endless, circuitous, and self feeding.

[Syf]

it doesnt matter people hate floyd is easier to hate than give someone their due

Yep...pretty much.

Thanks for simplifying what I'm trying to ****ing say to these cats

[IMDAZED]

LOL some of you are too, too infatuated with Floyd.

Ya'll should be agreeing with people that he should still fight the best and not always try to back up his accomplishments to make it seem like a fight with Mosley, Cotto, or Pacquiao wont hold any merit in his career.

What "true" fans do that? lol

Things get a little hairy when you like a fighter so much, you don't want to see the best matchups because you're afraid he'll lose.

[Syf]

Things get a little hairy when you like a fighter so much, you don't want to see the best matchups because you're afraid he'll lose.

I am not afraid of Floyd losing. I want to see some good fights.

Here's an excuse list for possible Floyd opponents, in tradition of the simply wonderful thought provoking posts I see in NSB:

Cotto: Cotto was shot

Pac: Pac was too small and his style is tailor made for Floyd

Marg: weakling without his plaster

Mosley: Floyd waited too long..SSM got too old

Berto/Alvarez: They were too green

Collazo: He was a glorified gatekeeper

Pwill: He was overrated cuz of his physicality

Especially, if whichever fighter is dominated, and its made to look easy by Floyd

[Ravishing]

Things get a little hairy when you like a fighter so much, you don't want to see the best matchups because you're afraid he'll lose.

LOL that's why I stopped being such a hardcore fan for 1 particular fighter. I got my favorites, but I don't pour my life to where when he catches an L, I'm contemplating suicide.

[Ravishing]

I am not afraid of Floyd losing. I want to see some good fights.

Here's an excuse list for possible Floyd opponents, in tradition of the simply wonderful thought provoking posts I see in NSB:

Cotto: Cotto was shot

Pac: Pac was too small and his style is tailor made for Floyd

Marg: weakling without his plaster

Mosley: Floyd waited too long..SSM got too old

Berto/Alvarez: They were too green

Collazo: He was a glorified gatekeeper

Pwill: He was overrated cuz of his physicality

Especially, if whichever fighter is dominated, and its made to look easy by Floyd

That's what about 100 or so people on a Message forum would say. They don't speak for the other Millions who'll dish out money to watch Floyd fight the best guys.