How many great fighters does Floyd have to beat?

[Syf]

But, in all honesty what kind of value did Sosa, Ndou, Bruseles and Mitchell had going into the fights? What kind of value did Corley and Judah had when they were coming from a loss going into the fights? What kind of value did Marquez had at WW? In all honesty as a boxing fan no nuthuggin. What kind of value did they have going in?

Don't get me wrong, I think he should fight top comp right now. He's fighting less and less now plus he just came out of retirement, so when he does fight he should make it count. But as for in the past when he fought more often, I don't think he had to fight the best out there every time. Look at any great fighter's career. Ali didn't fight the absolute best every SINGLE time.. Same with SRR.. same with all the greats. They just fought. Bad comp, good comp.. and great comp.

As for Floyd, when he does fight the best and most dangerous, a lot of times it ends up a tactical match. Not crowd pleasers. Ndou, Mitchel, ect were oppurtunities for Floyd to open up and be a bit more exciting for his fans. And judah was coming off a loss to Baldy as I recall... Floyd moved on to defeat Baldy right after that. "The guy that beat the guy"

As for JMM, I actually see the reason for that. May beat DLH and Hatton then retired... Pac came along and purposefully sought out both and beat them better than May did.. So may came out of retirement and beat JMM better than Pac did. Its this little game him and Pac play that I call "legacy tarniishing." They seem to have great fun doing it to each other.

[Syf]

But again, NSB is cluttered with guys who think they're favorite fighters (whomever they may be) would beat every other great fighter in any other time, gotta take what a lot of people say with a grain of salt. The casual fans are really the ones who are the asses in the seats and provide the majority of the #s on PPV. I talk to a lot of casual fans who complain that Floyd should fight Shane Mosley after what they saw at the end of the Marquez vs Floyd PPV. But only on NSB will Floyd fans make it an issue for him not to fight Mosley because he either used steroids years ago or he has 5 losses (pretty much mimicking what Floyd tells the media). Goes both ways...

Well then yeah, I agree casual fans are ultimately what matter most. But for one reason or another... probably boredom, I have decided to take up the least taken up stance on NSB, and to try to talk sense into that fringe element.

A foolish quest, I know.

[Syf]

Mate, if PBF faced and beat any of those guys, any true fan of boxing with any common sense would disregard any excuses that came up, because that's all it would be lad, excuses. The opinions of real fans that actually matter would be favorable, because the man got in the ring and handled his business. PBF himself will prevail in this matter by beating the top guys in his division. Threads like this will never prevail, because they are rubbish, created by pathetic teenagers who are mancrushing.

He will. He'll fight the best out there.. Pac/Cotto for sure. And I'm willing to bet that the threads here won't change all that much in content.

again with the horrible posts. Anybody knows that we are looking for Floyd to challenge himself. That includes fighting prime fighter at their weight. You use all kinds of big words and try so hard to be eloquent, yet anyone can see right through to your ballhuggery. Predicting excuses is pathetic, for years people have been dying for Floyd to fight certain guys, he has always taken the easy way out. Stop looking up words in your thesaurus and learn who is in what weight class, who is in their prime, who fights who, and who doesn't fght who and you might understand.

I'm sorry if my apparent intelligence intimidates you. That was not my aim. I'll try to dumb it down for you.

[jrosales13]

Look at any great fighter's career. Ali didn't fight the absolute best every SINGLE time.. Same with SRR.. same with all the greats. They just fought. Bad comp, good comp.. and great comp.

Who did Ali not fight though? Ali fought everybody he was suppose to fight. I could mak a top 10 ranking of top fighters that Floyd did not fight. SRR had over 200 fights, Floyd has around 40. Floyd for awhile now has fought only 2-3 times a year. Every single fight should be a risky fight.

judah was coming off a loss to Baldy as I recall... Floyd moved on to defeat Baldy right after that. "The guy that beat the guy"

I have a problem with the Judah fight. Howevr, I am ok with Baldomir cuzz he was the lineal champion. But, I don't see the value in Judah after he was coming off a loss.

As for JMM, I actually see the reason for that. May beat DLH and Hatton then retired... Pac came along and purposefully sought out both and beat them better than May did.. So may came out of retirement and beat JMM better than Pac did. Its this little game him and Pac play that I call "legacy tarniishing." They seem to have great fun doing it to each other.

If that is the game that they are playing. Then Pac is clearly winning. Pac beat Hatton at Hatton weight. Pac skipped a weightclass to beat Oscar. Floyd beat JMM who was 2 weightclass below who could of stilled make 130.

[laudium]

Good Point by Boxing Chaos

[KRITKL]

He will. He'll fight the best out there.. Pac/Cotto for sure. And I'm willing to bet that the threads here won't change all that much in content.

Why does it matter what people say on here? Just fight top guys in your division and *** it if people talk ****e. Real boxing fans will appreciate it, who cares what the others think.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He could start by beating one?

[Syf]

Who did Ali not fight though? Ali fought everybody he was suppose to fight. I could mak a top 10 ranking of top fighters that Floyd did not fight. SRR had over 200 fights, Floyd has around 40. Floyd for awhile now has fought only 2-3 times a year. Every single fight should be a risky fight.

I see your point for the present day. Even I will have trouble defending him if he fights someone like Alvarez next. But I think back then, he should of been allowed a few fights in which to show case himself and open up, as opposed to it being tactical.

I have a problem with the Judah fight. Howevr, I am ok with Baldomir cuzz he was the lineal champion. But, I don't see the value in Judah after he was coming off a loss.

Well if you play it that way, Cotto is coming off a loss to Marg, and a near loss to Clottey. Yet I don't sit around and say that lessens the significance of the win for Manny if he beats Cotto. I think Judah had something like 2 losses when he fought Mayweather. Tsyu and Baldomir. Yet people are screaming for May to fight Mosley (which i think would be a good matchup) who has 5 losses.

If that is the game that they are playing. Then Pac is clearly winning. Pac beat Hatton at Hatton weight. Pac skipped a weightclass to beat Oscar. Floyd beat JMM who was 2 weightclass below who could of stilled make 130.

Oh all sorts of excuses can be thrown at this... Pac's versions of Hatton and DLH were lesser..ect... But I actually agree that Pac is ahead in the "legacy tarnishing" game. That's why, if Pac beats Cotto in a close match, Mayweather will fight Cotto first to beat him better. If Cotto wins...the game would just end, and he will fight probably Pac, then Cotto.

[Kevin Jesus]

But at the end of the day, Floyd fought the guys he was supposed to fight when fans were breathing down his neck to fight them.

Corrales, Jesus, Hernandez, Gerano, Corley, Gatti, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Hatton.

It's not his fault that while Judah and Baldomir were top WW's, Cotto was a weight drained JWW.

Not Mayweather's fault that he called out Mosley and ended up fighting De La Hoya because Mosley had a "toothache".

He did what you all asked him to do when he fought Baldomir after Brian Kenny and all the fans were accusing him of ducking Baldomir.

Judah was a fight that was already verbally signed with HBO regardless if Judah won or lost to Baldomir.

He beats all of them and then a new batch of fighters comes out and he's now ducking them all like if he can fight them all in the same ring at the same time. It takes a couple of years to fight all these fighters that you spoiled fans are demanding for him to fight.

[Ravishing]

But at the end of the day, Floyd fought the guys he was supposed to fight when fans were breathing down his neck to fight them.

Corrales, Jesus, Hernandez, Gerano, Corley, Gatti, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Hatton.

It's not his fault that while Judah and Baldomir were top WW's, Cotto was a weight drained JWW.

Not Mayweather's fault that he called out Mosley and ended up fighting De La Hoya because Mosley had a "toothache".

He did what you all asked him to do when he fought Baldomir after Brian Kenny and all the fans were accusing him of ducking Baldomir.

Judah was a fight that was already verbally signed with HBO regardless if Judah won or lost to Baldomir.

He beats all of them and then a new batch of fighters comes out and he's now ducking them all like if he can fight them all in the same ring at the same time. It takes a couple of years to fight all these fighters that you spoiled fans are demanding for him to fight.

If you're the reigning top fighter in the world and are still performing at a high level, the general idea is to continue fighting the best until you can't anymore. There's no stipulation to where one fighter just says, "Ok I fought everyone...now I'm just going to fight Joe Blow because my name's Floyd Mayweather and Ill make money either way". Not to say Floyd is going to do that, but that's pretty much what a lot of the Floyd fans say on here without admitting it.

If Floyd is still the great fighter he's shown us he is, he has to keep on taking the best fighters in the world until he feels he can't anymore, like other great champions before him.