How many great fighters does Floyd have to beat?

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[SkilledB]

I can't believe you added Gatti as your number one starting point for your argument.
Gatti was shot long before Floyd got a hold of him. I believe the Drag Queen ODLH put the hurting on Gatti 5 years before Floyd laid his mittens on him. Gatti was so shot, Alfalfa Gomez was able to beat him.

Corrales was on his way to prison just before his bout with Floyd. Mentally unprepared, totally distracted, Corrales was not that good anyway. Yes he was a warrior but that is all.

Hatton's best win ever was against an old KT who was ready to retire due to injuries and illness.

Hatton was over rated. Was that really a prime Hatton Floyd beat? I think not. Collazo beat the noise out of Hatton too in the same weight class and Hatton was chased back down to 140.

ODLH was so over the hill, little Stevie Forbes was giving him a run for his money.

Marquez forced to move up too fast and then Floyd does not even honor the catch weight? WOW what a brave ***** ass move was that? Marquez moves up nearly three weight classes in the blink of an eye and Floyd was still scared to knock the fat little midget out.

I will give him the Genaro win.

He lost to Castillo the first time.

He beat Castillo in the rematch.

Judah was destroyed by KT and owned by an old ass dinosaur plodder before Floyd ever got to him.

Baldomir was so old, he farted dust and I guess that is ok if you sell feather dusters.

Mitchell?


You forgot to mention Bruseless.

lol

[Sin City]

The only fight I don't give him all that much credit for in recent years is Baldomir. It was an uninspired choice.. Though Baldy did beat Judah.



Since people fixate so much on weight, I think the fact that Mayweather moved up in weight to fight a naturally bigger man in Oscar speaks for itself. That fight did challenge Floyd a bit. It wasn't a blowout slugfest, no..it was a tactical match in which Mayweather slowly adapted to DLH's size and physical imposition.. and started to slip counters in amongst DLH's flurries. The DLH that PBF fought was far more dangerous the the DLH Pac fought, if we are keeping track.



As I said before.. This is all said in hindsight. Its infinitely easy to criticize in hindsight. At the Mayweather/Gatti fight, they had Hatton on the high hog as a possible Mayweather opponent..HBO was saying his name above Cotto's or anyone else's. Hatton was an undefeated fighter when he met PBF, regardless of whether others had given him fits or not.



How magnanimous of you. But Floyd did not lose that first fight. The announcers were very anti floyd in the first Castillo fight. They were not fully appreciative of his defensive style. Giving credit, as well was compubox, for shots Castillo threw that floyd blocked on his gloves, forearms, and picked the rest off with core and foot mobility paired with the shoulderoll.. Castillo landed a few flush shots... mostly body shots. But nothing to represent the announcers' accolades of that night, or compubox's numbers.

why do you think they only judge presidents in hindsight? because only then can you put everything into consideration.. it's the only way to really look at something objectively.

anyway, even so.. I am not looking at it in hindsight since the fights I mentioned happened BEFORE and not AFTER. So your point is invalid and mute. Hatton was another big money fight.. he draws a large crowed but that's about it.

You might try to weasel a few into believing that Mayweather has done all that he possibly can but the majority know that it's not true and they are not buying it.
He hasn't done all that he can legacy wise and is just fighting for money.
Floyd stopped caring for legacy after Castillo.. and uhm, no.. Castillo won the first fight.
It is widely agreed.. 70% of fans believe so as well. Nothing to do with the commentating or the compubox as that doesn't come into consideration when scoring around.. so again, sorry, but your point is mute.

[joelab75]

who did Floyd beat in the welterweight division who is a hall of famer? he didnt even hurt JMM who looked so old, slow and powerless. Cotto and Mosley would have destroyed JMM in less than 6 rounds in a welterweight division.

[Clyde Barrow]

This guy stopped the late great champions Gatti & Diego. He beat 2 undefeated champions in Diego & Hatton in their prime. He has beaten future hall of Famers like Oscar & Marquez. He holds victories against former champions like Hernandez, Castillo twice, Judah, Baldomir & Mitchell.

If Floyd beak King Kong what BS would the haters come up with then?


PS I think they would say it was only because Floyd was a human.

Shut the fuck up. PBF is a great fighter. Real boxing fans respect him. It's fools like you who inspire the bad talk against him with pathetic temper tantrums like this. The bulk of the "haters" on this forum as you describe them dislike daft ****s like you, not PBF. They simply want him to finish his career facing the best in his division.

[Bushidō]

This guy stopped the late great champions Gatti & Diego. He beat 2 undefeated champions in Diego & Hatton in their prime. He has beaten future hall of Famers like Oscar & Marquez. He holds victories against former champions like Hernandez, Castillo twice, Judah, Baldomir & Mitchell.

If Floyd beak King Kong what BS would the haters come up with then?


PS I think they would say it was only because Floyd was a human.

There's always haters no matter what he does but if he fights Cotto/Mosley/Pacquiao and retires then I really don't know what else people can say

[Walt Liquor]

by the logic on here..cotto hasnt beat anyone
mosley-old past prime
judah-ruined by kt and floyd was shot before cotto fought him
clottey-who has he ever beat??

pacman-beat no 1
barrerra-he already had loses and was old
morales-shot-weight drained
oscar-please old,shot weight drained..
hatton-floyd ruined him and he was past prime


see you can **** on anyones resume going by ***********' logic

larry, mab was top 3 pfp and still a certified badass. floyd ruined nothing, if anything collazo exposed hatton at 147. pac man fought ricky where he was supposed to fight. I notice you forgot to include jmm. you are too easy

[Doctor_Tenma]

At one point he was suppose to beat Zab Judah, Baldomir, Gatti, Hatton...he did all that and look where it got him.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Shut the fuck up. PBF is a great fighter. Real boxing fans respect him. It's fools like you who inspire the bad talk against him with pathetic temper tantrums like this. The bulk of the "haters" on this forum as you describe them dislike daft ****s like you, not PBF. They simply want him to finish his career facing the best in his division.

This is pretty much it.

Naturally, there are "haters", but the majority of people who are critical of Mayweather since leaving 135, are boxing fans and have a legit gripe. "Haters", would not give Floyd any credit, at any weight class, however, the overwhelming majority give him his just due at 35 and below.

However, a fighter nor his fans can say hes great above that if he simply hasn't proved it against the best of the weight class hes fighting in. Thats not "hate", thats logical reason.


Its like saying the early 90s Lakers teams were great,

because of what happened in 87 & 88.


Doesn't work that way, never has, never will.


But when you realize many of the Mayweather fanboys are just that, boys who recently got into the sport,

you can't really fault them for being so foolish.

We were all kids once.


Floyd at 130 and 135, great fighter, great display of his physical tools,

Floyd at 140 and above, not so great and gives the illusion that he is indeed afraid of the best fighters at these weights, 147 moreso than 140.


I understand where the Floyd stans are coming from, they want to be able to say they witnessed greatness because of Floyd being undefeated. I remember in the late 80s after learning about the dominance of the Celtics in the 60s, I also wanted to see a dominant era like that. I got to see Jordan and the Bulls.


The difference is,

Jordan and the Bulls wouldn't have picked the weakest champion, or a sub par team to play against. They would have and did play any team to prove they were the best.

Floyd doesn't choose to fight the best. The majority of the other fighters do.

[JAB5239]

This is pretty much it.

Naturally, there are "haters", but the majority of people who are critical of Mayweather since leaving 135, are boxing fans and have a legit gripe. "Haters", would not give Floyd any credit, at any weight class, however, the overwhelming majority give him his just due at 35 and below.

However, a fighter nor his fans can say hes great above that if he simply hasn't proved it against the best of the weight class hes fighting in. Thats not "hate", thats logical reason.


Its like saying the early 90s Lakers teams were great,

because of what happened in 87 & 88.


Doesn't work that way, never has, never will.


But when you realize many of the Mayweather fanboys are just that, boys who recently got into the sport,

you can't really fault them for being so foolish.

We were all kids once.


Floyd at 130 and 135, great fighter, great display of his physical tools,

Floyd at 140 and above, not so great and gives the illusion that he is indeed afraid of the best fighters at these weights, 147 moreso than 140.


I understand where the Floyd stans are coming from, they want to be able to say they witnessed greatness because of Floyd being undefeated. I remember in the late 80s after learning about the dominance of the Celtics in the 60s, I also wanted to see a dominant era like that. I got to see Jordan and the Bulls.


The difference is,

Jordan and the Bulls wouldn't have picked the weakest champion, or a sub par team to play against. They would have and did play any team to prove they were the best.

Floyd doesn't choose to fight the best. The majority of the other fighters do.

Great post!!