Answer only if u watched full Cotto-Malignanggi fight

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  • CARLOS11
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    #51
    Styles, weights and whats at stake make fights and Manny & Cotto's are very different and whats at stake is different in this fight.

    cotto paulie is different fight, cotto manny will be different & manny paulie would be different etc....

    maybe similaraties occasionally though.

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    • tantaran69
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      #52
      I was watching that fight last night, again, just trying to see how Pac would move around Cotto. And realized how good Cotto is fighting boxers, real boxers. Pac is not a boxer, he's fast but not a boxer. A brawler is always a brawler. Cotto took a lot of punches from Paulie since in the first couple of rounds he felt his (Paulie) great power, none. With Pac he will do the same, he'll try Pac's power/speed and go from there. He's a great fighter and I really don't get how ppl is not counting on my boy's victory on this one since half of the ppl he fought already haven't even fight each other 'cause the're scare, nor the best WW in the world "for some" have even fight one of them and all are great fighters. This WW group can b consider one of the best WW group off all time, and yes Cotto beat them all, your welcome.

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      • Dondi33O
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        #53
        Originally posted by Kevin Jesus
        Malignaggi has never even fought at Welterweight. Did you mean natural Jr Welterweight?
        Yes..ok

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        • Webber676
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          #54
          Originally posted by Dondi33O
          Paulie is a natural Welterweight while Pac is not, Paulie is a slick boxer, Pac is not. Something people conveniently forget to realize is Pac and Roach even admit that Pac has only recently added a left hook to his "arsenal". Paulie has ALL punches in his arsenal and has always been a slick boxer.
          There is a difference in a slick boxer with speed and a hyper fighter with speed.
          Pac only recently (maybe his last 2-3 fights) has updated his style for the better.
          WE ALL KNOW that once you get hit all plans go out the window and the fighter goes to his bread and butter. Pac's Bread and butter has always been "you hit me, I hit you, and we trade". Guaranteed, Pac will get hit and he will do the same , thats when he gets KOed.
          I agree with you in your last remark and that the only thing that really make me concern because I know they do have a game plan going into the fight but its true Manny is a brawler by nature and In dont want to imagine him trade with Miguel unless Miguel gas tank is totally depleted. Again my believe is a most for Cotto to make a quick job on the Pacman if not is going to be a long night for him.

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          • Webber676
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            #55
            Originally posted by Kevin Jesus
            TS, you made some solid points and i can see what makes you think what you said.

            But Malignaggi is a whole different fighter from Pacquiao. Yes they both have blazing speed, but Malignaggi is more technically sound than Pacquiao while Pacquiao is more powerful than Malignaggi.

            Pacquiao likes to throw a lot of different punches form different angles and is not afraid to trade while Paulie likes to throw his jab and stay at bay and if his opponent gets close he will hold. Also Paulie is not southpaw like Pacquiao.

            Pretty much what i am saying is we can't speculate what Pacquiao will do by comparing a fighter like Pacquiao with a boxer like Malignaggi. At the end of the day Paulie may have given Cotto a tougher fight than Pacquiao or vice, Pacquiao may have given Cotto a tougher fight than Malignaggi.

            Judah vs Cotto is a much better way to predict wht will happen in Cotto-Pacquiao. Pacquiao does not gas out like Judah, and he actually uses his left hand that Judah did not use much but when he threw it he caught Cotto nicely with it. Plus Judah and Pacquiao are both very fast with explosive power, and they are southpaws. Pacquiao is jut more disciplined and has more stamina than Judah and he is def busier than Judah.
            Judah didnt land half the punches that Malignaggi land on Cotto. Malignaggi was more in the fight, fought smarter and most of the time beat cotto to the punch. Judah got no discipline in his fighting pattern and he punched just in brief spurs, he complained more than what he punched.

            So this is why we are trying to objectively analyze hold the Cotto-Pacquiao bout would eventually unfold based in the Cotto-Malignaggi fight where he was beating Cotto to the punch and is exactly what Pacquiao has been done to his last openents due to his superior hand speed.

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            • Allucard
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              #56
              Originally posted by Ravishing
              What people fail to realize is Cotto's competition increased as he went up to 147. Name another WW that fought Zab Judah, Shane Mosley, Antonio Margarito, and Joshua Clottey in the span of 2 yrs and only took 1 loss out of those 4. Not every fight is going to be this virtuoso performance from Cotto because he'd indeed fighting the best guys. People are looking at Cotto as a shot fighter because he had a tough outing against Clottey and are making Pacquiao look incredible because of how he KO'd Hatton. People won't outright admit it, but that's really what it is. They're not looking at the big picture...this particular style match up.

              I'm tellin ya'll, Pacquiao is in for one hell of a night...and Cotto's not even my favorite fighter for me to say that, I just see through the smoke and mirrors that the media's gassed the public up with (including a lot of people on here). Pac is a great fighter, but isn't by any means a defensive wizard.
              2 Losses you mean, he also lost the Mosley fight.

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              • Steward
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                #57
                Originally posted by Webber676
                I just watched this fight last night for the first time and I was surprised at how well Malignaggi did against Cotto.

                When the fight was made by looking at Malignaggi face I thought it was a massacre with all the blood and his jaw broken and that he didnt touch Cotto at all. However watching at the film now it was a different story, I found the bout very competitive and I think Cotto did very well and deserved the decision.

                Now my question is, based on this fight what is your expectation for the Cotto-Pacquiao fight? I think had Magginagi more power with the amount of punches that he connected on Cotto he eventually would have won the fight.

                Now you know Pacquiao is heavy handed and his accuracy is way superior to Malignaggi and also his volume punching and look a how he was beating Cotto to the punch, realistically how do you think Cotto will manage to handle Manny? and even though his jab could be an answer but will it be an answer the whole fight if the fight extend to the later rounds? i see it almost impossible because eventually he would get tire and is when Manny will try to catch him with his accurate and solid combinations and the rest is history.

                Thank you for your comments.
                id say its a different kettle of fish, malinaggi uses angles to get in with, and throws punches in such positions that they dont have the power with which to do damage. Pacquiao comes straight foward, shoots, then moves. So it may not be so hard for cotto to handle. Im so indifferent about who i think will win. I hope its the best for the sport.

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                • Ravishing
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Webber676
                  I agree with you in your last remark and that the only thing that really make me concern because I know they do have a game plan going into the fight but its true Manny is a brawler by nature and In dont want to imagine him trade with Miguel unless Miguel gas tank is totally depleted. Again my believe is a most for Cotto to make a quick job on the Pacman if not is going to be a long night for him.
                  If Pacquiao is taking shots from Cotto consistently throughout the fight, Pacquiao may be the one who ends up winded.

                  Keep in mind, Pac's never been in a fight with anyone who's going to apply the ring generalship Cotto brings along with the consistent power in his punches, especially to the body. Even looking past the power, why are people sleeping on Cotto's boxing ability? Cotto's made a career out of proving his skeptics wrong. Nov 14th won't be any different, just on the biggest stage of Cotto's career.

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                  • Webber676
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Ravishing
                    If Pacquiao is taking shots from Cotto consistently throughout the fight, Pacquiao may be the one who ends up winded.

                    Keep in mind, Pac's never been in a fight with anyone who's going to apply the ring generalship Cotto brings along with the consistent power in his punches, especially to the body. Even looking past the power, why are people sleeping on Cotto's boxing ability? Cotto's made a career out of proving his skeptics wrong. Nov 14th won't be any different, just on the biggest stage of Cotto's career.
                    Sorry but this is false. Cotto has been the favorite in almost all his fight contrary to Pacquiao who has been stepping up in weight his whole career.

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                      #60
                      Paulie held alot. And Im not sure what was wrong with Cotto, but the rounds he lost he looked like he was sleepwalking, not throwing much. Once he really turned on the pressure there wasn't much Paulie could do.

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