Comments Thread For: Vergil Ortiz says move to middleweight 'inevitable' as title shot continues to elude him at 154

[Smash]

with boots ennis as wbc NO1 contender he could easily fight ortiz for his interim belt

and then sort if out with fundora when the wbc combine the interim and full champs

all these orgs with their money making belts at least the wbc franchise crap is gone, but not without a fight lol

clowns r us

[kiaba360]

anonymous2.0

https://ringmagazine.com/en/news/bakhram-murtazaliev-vergil-ortiz-cant-happen-ibf-rehydration-limit-erickson-lubin-xander-zayas

Robert Garcia does not want to risk him being drained due to the second weigh-in.

I also saw an article in which Tim Tszyu expressed regret for taking the Murtazaliev fight because he was ignorant of the IBF rehydration rules beforehand.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/boxing/exclusive-tim-tszyu-lifts-lid-on-final-straw-behind-shock-axe-call-reveals-hidden-clause-bombshell-in-raw-interview/news-story/14d38962b1dc7ce18da84a355791cf39

It's honestly pathetic how much guys are rehydrating. That's the biggest reason why many do not go down the IBF route.

[Smash]

anonymous2.0

https://ringmagazine.com/en/news/bakhram-murtazaliev-vergil-ortiz-cant-happen-ibf-rehydration-limit-erickson-lubin-xander-zayas

Robert Garcia does not want to risk him being drained due to the second weigh-in.

I also saw an article in which Tim Tszyu expressed regret for taking the Murtazaliev fight because he was ignorant of the IBF rehydration rules beforehand.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/boxing/exclusive-tim-tszyu-lifts-lid-on-final-straw-behind-shock-axe-call-reveals-hidden-clause-bombshell-in-raw-interview/news-story/14d38962b1dc7ce18da84a355791cf39

It's honestly pathetic how much guys are rehydrating. That's the biggest reason why many do not go down the IBF route.

“Not when agreeing to the fight, no. I’d never fought for an IBF title. I just didn’t know. I was only told by my team a few weeks before the fight.


“Yet had I known about that clause, hand on heart, I wouldn’t have accepted that fight. I mean, you want to know why guys like Vergil Ortiz aren’t taking that fight? It’s not because of Murtazaliev. It’s the rehydration clause.”

BS im calling

him nor anyone on his TEAM knew about the ibf clause LOL he must have been KO'ed by a kangaroo that week lol

[Smash]

the ibf drop this clause for unifications i think, otherwise we may never see any undisputed guys at all lol

the rules are too hodge podge, the ibf mean well by trying to make sure guys are around the same weight but it needs a unified all orgs approach and noone seems interested at all

why not just weight them shortly before they go to the ring hbo style like they do with jockies before the race to make sure all is fair, u are over u pay a heafty % to your opponent, something really nasty to make sure it doesnt happen, if u are a serial over guy u dont get fights lol

[Grandma Lover]

hes probably just trying to do a devin haney and stick 10 or 15 pounds on his opponents, boxing allow it so no rule against it, they say that stuff is safer than weighting them before the fight but im not convinced at all

Hankey was 20 plus pounds heavier. And Ortiz is the same height as the guys too

[drablj]

isnt ortiz the wbc interim champ which is different to a mandatory position?

interim champion is above #1. just as regular wba is above interim and #1. they are next in line. i, as everybody should, just ignore interim belts as belts and treat them as mandatories which they are. it would be simple if wbc and wba ordered mandatory fights in timely fashion. but these scum sometimes wait 4 years which is criminal.

[BlackRobb]

Garcia was asked about fighting Boots several years ago and literally said "That fight will happen. Eventually." To act like Vergil wants to fight everyone when he avoided Boots years ago and ducked Crawford twice is laughable. Robert Garcia is so FOS. So is Vergil.

[anonymous2.0]

anonymous2.0

https://ringmagazine.com/en/news/bakhram-murtazaliev-vergil-ortiz-cant-happen-ibf-rehydration-limit-erickson-lubin-xander-zayas

Robert Garcia does not want to risk him being drained due to the second weigh-in.

I also saw an article in which Tim Tszyu expressed regret for taking the Murtazaliev fight because he was ignorant of the IBF rehydration rules beforehand.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/boxing/exclusive-tim-tszyu-lifts-lid-on-final-straw-behind-shock-axe-call-reveals-hidden-clause-bombshell-in-raw-interview/news-story/14d38962b1dc7ce18da84a355791cf39

It's honestly pathetic how much guys are rehydrating. That's the biggest reason why many do not go down the IBF route.

How do you not know about the IBF 10% second day weigh in. Even if you the fighter has room temperature IQ, your coach, your promoter and their employees, manager, anyone on your team should know the IBF has a second day weigh in limit. Even random posters on NSB know the IBF has a second day weigh in. You literally signed a contract that said there would be a second day weigh in. You have caused me to lose a sizable amount of respect for Tim, ****/

[famicommander]

He has turned down multiple title shots. You can't say they've eluded you, you just didn't find one on the terms you wanted. Boo hoo.

[Coverdale]

Vergil will go to 160 and continue to be avoided by anyone with a belt. The Ring Belt used to be the only one that I considered legit. I do not know if that is still the case. For now I will just continue to trust my own judgement on who the best is in any given weight class. It is weird that a fighter like Vergil doesn't have a belt especially when you consider some of the guys that do. How much of that is Ortiz's managements fault or is it a lot of never being in the right place at the right time ? I do think that Vergil would beat most if not all of the belt holders in the weight classes that he has fought in.

I like to use the TBRB system these days. It often means some divisions have no champion for long stretches and I am comfortable with that.

ortiz is fundora's mandatory. wbc are the problem here. after getting a gift title shot (vacant belt), wbc let fundora fight 3 voluntaries in a row. the rules were mandatory after winning a vacant belt. since fundora had 2 belts and two mandatories waiting, the "normal" thing to do was to decide zayas or ortiz (order of mandatories wasn't agreed). but noooo. they let him fight neither.

ortiz' choice is wbc route (wbo was briefly an option but zayas ducked). ennis' choice is wba route. they won't fight until they are both champions. that means we first have to see fundora - ortiz and ennis - jermell/baraou mandatory fights. vergil's body can't make it much longer. middleweight will be his 4th division and he would be 0 division champion. such a shame.

This highlights the utter absurdity of the sanctioning bodies. If we had four bodies but they at least followed their rules then things would be a little clearer. But instead they simultaneously have 'interim' belt holders and order 'final' eliminators then proceed to allow voluntaries anyway.

Can someone explain why, for example, the WBC have ordered Matias v Smith (#1) rather than Matias - Cruz ('interim')? If we had a properly functioning boxing media the sanctioning bodies could have their feet held to the fire over such things, instead we get a constant stream of generic guff like: "who really is the face of boxing now?"; "roundtable about who is now P4P #1" and "muh Jake Paul".