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  • Oregonian
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    #91
    Originally posted by hugh grant
    I bet Americans won't place joe above hopkins or rjj though. Even with Joe's unbeaten record, and wins on paper over them. If rjj comes out of retirement and gets koed another 5 times, America would still have rjj above joe.
    Same as pac is above floyd, it don't matter floyd has a win over pac and is unbeaten
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    And if Joe cane out of retirement and got KO’s 8 times, how will you view him then?

    Roy was past his prime when he lost to Joe. It’s that simple. That’s not say Calzaghe is not an ATG. He is.

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      #92
      Originally posted by Boxing 112

      Funny how out of those 5 you took offence at Khan being in the list and not the 20 year old Itauma with 0 top 15 opponents on his resume.
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      Funny how it bothers you I didn’t call out Itauma which means you clearly know Itauma does not belong on that list but yet you put him there.
      I should have known that was just click bait you put out.

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        #93
        Joe Calzaghe was cold and retired undefeated. He's Hall of Fame worthy for certain. But as far as the best ever from the UK, I have to go with Ted Kid Lewis or Lennox Lewis. But Calzaghe was a bad man. What he did to Jeff Lacy is classic, it was a masterclass performance. Lacy was a bad dude up to that point. Joe really showed who he was that night

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          #94
          Originally posted by archiemoore1
          Joe Calzaghe was cold and retired undefeated. He's Hall of Fame worthy for certain. But as far as the best ever from the UK, I have to go with Ted Kid Lewis or Lennox Lewis. But Calzaghe was a bad man. What he did to Jeff Lacy is classic, it was a masterclass performance. Lacy was a bad dude up to that point. Joe really showed who he was that night
          Jeff Lacy was a bad dude based on what?

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            #95
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza

            Jeff Lacy was a bad dude based on what?
            Based on what Americans were saying at the time, and there was evidence for it, he dispatched Robin Reid in impressive fashion shortly after reid was been horribly robbed against Sven Ottke.

            The reason the fight was so funny was due to the American arrogance, predicting Lacy to beat JC with ease because he was "just some limey", then viciously turning on Lacey after the fight and calling him a bum and that beating him meant nothing.

            It's hilarious

            Here's some boxingscene STAFF hilarious predictions which sum up the arrogance of American boxing writers btw


            Hank Kaplan - Calzaghe is a smart fighter in the ring, but I think Lacy is too much for him. I like Lacy in this fight. I think Lacy should stop him.

            ....

            Tim Smith - This is the toughest fight in the career of either man, but I like Lacy because of his strength and power. I like Lacy by decision.

            ....

            Ron Borges - Although I give Calzaghe a chance to win, I think in the end age and too many years fighting inferior competition will get to him. So will a Jeff Lacy left hook, one that will drop him and hurt him badly enough that he can't continue. Jeff Lacy by TKO in 10.

            ....

            Sammy Rozenberg - I see Calzaghe hustling Lacy for most of the fight with his boxing skills, until Lacy catches up to him in the later rounds and ends it. Lacy in 11 by KO.

            ....

            Glenn Wilson - I've been looking forward to this for quite a while. Both fightes know that they are facing the best opponent they have ever been in the ring with. I see this going two rounds. Round one, Calzaghe picks his shots and grabs when he feels Lacy's power. Round two, both fighters opening up and Lacy catches Calzaghe to ends it. I believe there will be twelve rounds of action packed into two rounds.

            ....

            Eric Rineer - Joe Calzaghe has been the man in this division for a long time. He's got a remarkable record and he's the more experienced fighter. The match even takes place in England. All the odds seem to favor him. However, Jeff Lacy is an animal in the ring and he is hungry to add another title. He's fought in England before, and he's won in England before. I think the younger, hungrier man wins this fight regardless of where it's being held. Jeff Lacy by KO in 8 rounds.

            ....

            Larry Tornambe - Jeff Lacy will see this opportunity as his crossing of the threshold to greatness. I am not saying that he'll be considered great by winning this fight, but it will be the beginning of what we'll be talking about in 10 years with respect to Lacy's career. Joe will do his best to use his experience, but it'll be Lacy winning by late TKO.

            ....

            Mark Workman - Short and sweet. I've never believed that Joe Calzaghe could stand up to the awesome power of the Tampa Bay ****er, Jeff "Left Hook" Lacy. I expect Lacy to rain down a ******* of uppercuts and trademark left hooks upon Calzaghe and completely demolish him. I don't see it going beyond round nine.

            ....

            Carlos Irusta - I see Lacy winning, because he has more power than Calzaghe, who never lived up to fans' expectations.

            ....

            Evan Korn - Lacy will overwhelm Calzaghe en route to a second round KO.

            ....

            Don Caputo - Out with the old, in with the new. Five years ago, Calzaghe's hand speed and limitless stamina may have been enough to tame the ferocious Lacy. But after years of stagnation against sub par opposition, it is very hard to see Joe emerging victorious on Saturday night against perhaps the most powerful opponent he has ever faced. Of course he will have the home advantage and still possesses superb boxing skills, but I'm going with the younger and considerably stronger Lacy by late stoppage. A barrage of punches around the 9th round will signal the end of the Welshmans long reign - but expect him to go out on his shield.


            The biggest fight in the super middleweight division since Roy Jones Jr. met James Toney in 1994, is taking place on Saturday in the MEN Arena in Manchester, England. It is very rare in today's boxing world, to see two undefeated champions clashing to settle the issue of who is the best fighter in their weight class. The IBF super middleweight champion Jeff Lacy (21-0, 17 KOs), of St. Petersburg, Fla., will make the fifth defense of his title against Joe Calzaghe (40-0, 31 KOs), of Newbridge, Wales, by way of Hammersmith, England, who is making the 18th defense of his WBO super middleweight title. While most view this fight as the signature bout that makes Lacy a superstar in the sport, others feel Calzaghe is not going away quietly. Most American fans don't know much about Calzaghe, and a few facts should be known. Calzaghe won his title on Oct. 11, 1997, and defended it 17 times - which makes him the longest reigning champion in boxing. Another fact is that Calzaghe has not lost a bout since starting his amateur career at age 13. The guy can hit, brawl and has shown a decent chin. Calzaghe is better than most think, and the fight should be explosive as both men predict a knockout. The staff of BoxingScene comes together to voice their opinions, predictions and analysis on the big fight. Hank Kaplan - Calzaghe is a smart fighter in the ring, but I think Lacy is too much for him. I like Lacy in this fight. I think Lacy should stop him. Tim Smith - This is the toughest fight in the career of either man, but I like Lacy because of his strength and power. I like Lacy by decision.

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              #96
              Originally posted by NihonJim

              Based on what Americans were saying at the time, and there was evidence for it, he dispatched Robin Reid in impressive fashion shortly after reid was been horribly robbed against Sven Ottke.

              The reason the fight was so funny was due to the American arrogance, predicting Lacy to beat JC with ease because he was "just some limey", then viciously turning on Lacey after the fight and calling him a bum and that beating him meant nothing.

              It's hilarious

              Here's some boxingscene STAFF hilarious predictions which sum up the arrogance of American boxing writers btw


              Hank Kaplan - Calzaghe is a smart fighter in the ring, but I think Lacy is too much for him. I like Lacy in this fight. I think Lacy should stop him.

              ....

              Tim Smith - This is the toughest fight in the career of either man, but I like Lacy because of his strength and power. I like Lacy by decision.

              ....

              Ron Borges - Although I give Calzaghe a chance to win, I think in the end age and too many years fighting inferior competition will get to him. So will a Jeff Lacy left hook, one that will drop him and hurt him badly enough that he can't continue. Jeff Lacy by TKO in 10.

              ....

              Sammy Rozenberg - I see Calzaghe hustling Lacy for most of the fight with his boxing skills, until Lacy catches up to him in the later rounds and ends it. Lacy in 11 by KO.

              ....

              Glenn Wilson - I've been looking forward to this for quite a while. Both fightes know that they are facing the best opponent they have ever been in the ring with. I see this going two rounds. Round one, Calzaghe picks his shots and grabs when he feels Lacy's power. Round two, both fighters opening up and Lacy catches Calzaghe to ends it. I believe there will be twelve rounds of action packed into two rounds.

              ....

              Eric Rineer - Joe Calzaghe has been the man in this division for a long time. He's got a remarkable record and he's the more experienced fighter. The match even takes place in England. All the odds seem to favor him. However, Jeff Lacy is an animal in the ring and he is hungry to add another title. He's fought in England before, and he's won in England before. I think the younger, hungrier man wins this fight regardless of where it's being held. Jeff Lacy by KO in 8 rounds.

              ....

              Larry Tornambe - Jeff Lacy will see this opportunity as his crossing of the threshold to greatness. I am not saying that he'll be considered great by winning this fight, but it will be the beginning of what we'll be talking about in 10 years with respect to Lacy's career. Joe will do his best to use his experience, but it'll be Lacy winning by late TKO.

              ....

              Mark Workman - Short and sweet. I've never believed that Joe Calzaghe could stand up to the awesome power of the Tampa Bay ****er, Jeff "Left Hook" Lacy. I expect Lacy to rain down a ******* of uppercuts and trademark left hooks upon Calzaghe and completely demolish him. I don't see it going beyond round nine.

              ....

              Carlos Irusta - I see Lacy winning, because he has more power than Calzaghe, who never lived up to fans' expectations.

              ....

              Evan Korn - Lacy will overwhelm Calzaghe en route to a second round KO.

              ....

              Don Caputo - Out with the old, in with the new. Five years ago, Calzaghe's hand speed and limitless stamina may have been enough to tame the ferocious Lacy. But after years of stagnation against sub par opposition, it is very hard to see Joe emerging victorious on Saturday night against perhaps the most powerful opponent he has ever faced. Of course he will have the home advantage and still possesses superb boxing skills, but I'm going with the younger and considerably stronger Lacy by late stoppage. A barrage of punches around the 9th round will signal the end of the Welshmans long reign - but expect him to go out on his shield.


              https://www.boxingscene.com/articles...s-joe-calzaghe
              That’s cute but I’m not really interested in “what people were saying”. That’s not a basis for reasoning.

              Based on what, from his actual boxing career, made him a “bad dude”?

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                #97
                Originally posted by Oregonian
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                And if Joe cane out of retirement and got KO’s 8 times, how will you view him then?

                Roy was past his prime when he lost to Joe. It’s that simple. That’s not say Calzaghe is not an ATG. He is.
                RJJ can be koed 10 times but is still thought of highly. If calzaghe was koed 8 times he probably wouldn't be as His resume isn't as strong.

                If rjj and calzaghe fought in each other's primes who knows what would happen. But rjj winning title at heavyweight is what gives him edge as well as wins over toney and prime hopkins.
                Nobody cares about calzaghe win over RJJ or hopkins, the wins over prime Kessler and lacy are the main wins
                Last edited by hugh grant; 09-29-2025, 06:55 AM.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza

                  That’s cute but I’m not really interested in “what people were saying”. That’s not a basis for reasoning.

                  Based on what, from his actual boxing career, made him a “bad dude”?
                  Proved my point

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by NihonJim

                    Proved my point
                    How so?

                    On what basis was he a "bad dude"? What did he do to be that description?

                    It's not a trick question.

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                      #100
                      Originally posted by archiemoore1
                      Joe Calzaghe was cold and retired undefeated. He's Hall of Fame worthy for certain. But as far as the best ever from the UK, I have to go with Ted Kid Lewis or Lennox Lewis. But Calzaghe was a bad man. What he did to Jeff Lacy is classic, it was a masterclass performance. Lacy was a bad dude up to that point. Joe really showed who he was that night
                      hes the definition of hype. he had 1 top 10(ring) win when he fought calzaghe over robin reid. he struggled against omar sheika. he struggled after calzaghe when his competition stepped up. good for calzaghe for getting the win but calzaghe's win over byron mitchell is much better than lacy even though it was a laughable stoppage

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