Comments Thread For: BoxingScene roundtable: Who is pound-for-pound number one?

[DeeMoney]

I'm still convinced in Terrence Crawford. That guy against Errol Spence was one the most dominating performances I've ever seen. I know the judges had it close against Alvarez but I thought he won comfortably. In my opinion, nobody can beat him from 130-168 (I know he isn't fighting at 130). But you have to acknowledge that he's the best of this era (2015-2025).

This kind of points to my question. Are we rating who is the best P4P right now, or who is the historically best fighter who is still active(Best of the Era), ie your reference back to 2015 and Crawford's work at 130 lbs?

If its whose the best right now, then I doubt anything done before 2020 comes into play, as thats far enough back that no fighter is really the same as they were back then. If its best of the era, then its all fair game.

[BoxerFreddy]

I think for P4P lists, we should avoid looking to far back.. I think it should be limited to max last 3yrs, maybe only last 2yrs...

If we go in the middle and say 2023 to today we have the following overview:

Crawford:

1. TKO Spence
2. UD Madrimov
3. UD Canelo

Usyk:

1. KO Dubois
2. MD Fury
3. UD Fury
4. KO Dubois

Inoue:

1. TKO Fulton
2. TKO Tapales
3. TKO Nery
4. TKO Doheny
5. TKO Joon Kim
6. TKO Cardenas
7. UD Akhmadaliev

Based on this, I'd give the nod to Usyk, then Inoue, then Crawford. What hurts Crawford is the mediocre win over Madrimov and inactivity. Inoue is fighting 3/4 times a year going through everyone in the division. Crawford took 13 months off to bulk up and it's just less impressive in my opinion. I definitely think Crawford would hold his own in a P4P imaginary fight with the other two, but I don't want to reward inactivity.

I would therefor go with Usyk, Inoue, Crawford.

[Plick647]

I think its funny how no one is mentioning Luis 'King Kong' Ortiz' first round KO this weekend. had i not seen it i'd never had known about it.

[Masterboxing77]

I'm still convinced in Terrence Crawford. That guy against Errol Spence was one the most dominating performances I've ever seen. I know the judges had it close against Alvarez but I thought he won comfortably. In my opinion, nobody can beat him from 130-168 (I know he isn't fighting at 130). But you have to acknowledge that he's the best of this era (2015-2025).

Most dominant has to be inoue more 10-8 scored than 9-10. Only boxer in compubox history to never been outpunched.

[Boro]

Crawford has to be #1, Crawford was counted out by most in his big fights and he was absolutely dominate in both not only that he's been on a tear through multiple divisions.

Inoue had spectular runs through multiple divisions but lately not so much and opposition hasn't been what it was in the previous divisions.

Usyk only real threatening fight was Fury so can't really rate his run as #1 P4P, though he did have a great run at cruiser.

[daggum]

Crawford has to be #1, Crawford was counted out by most in his big fights and he was absolutely dominate in both not only that he's been on a tear through multiple divisions.

Inoue had spectular runs through multiple divisions but lately not so much and opposition hasn't been what it was in the previous divisions.

Usyk only real threatening fight was Fury so can't really rate his run as #1 P4P, though he did have a great run at cruiser.

goodman is the only one he hasnt fought in the last 2 years and he ducked the fight

[puroylan]

Before beating Canelo, I had Usyk as #1 P4P but after moving up to weight classes and beating Canelo, there's no doubt in any boxing fanatics that Bud is now the #1 P4P. I don't see anyone surpassing him as long as he's active. Respect!

[megh50]

I think Usyk edges it. His stellar amateur pedigree, Olympic Gold Medal, combined with fighting through all the champions to earn two undisputed crowns, sets him apart. On top of that, he’s won two major tournaments — the Muhammad Ali Trophy and the World Series of Boxing. By contrast, Bud became undisputed with just one fight at Welter and one at Super Middle. Usyk has simply done more.

[hugh grant]

Before beating Canelo, I had Usyk as #1 P4P but after moving up to weight classes and beating Canelo, there's no doubt in any boxing fanatics that Bud is now the #1 P4P. I don't see anyone surpassing him as long as he's active. Respect!

I like usyk..my only issue is he might not have best the best fighters in division yet. Ajit v usyk and usyk v the improved parker.
Yes, usyk best fury and josh, 2 guys with best resumes, but they've neither best Ajit too.
Ajit might be no1

[famicommander]

1. Crawford
2. Inoue
3. Usyk
4. Bam

Resumes listed below. TBRB rankings used, secondary and interim belts ignored.

Terence Crawford
W vs #3 Ricky Burns UD 12 (fmr. WBO 130; reigning WBO 135; future WBA 140)
W vs #7 Yuriorkis Gamboa TKO 9 (fmr. WBA/IBF 126)
W vs #2 Raymundo Beltran UD 12 (future WBO 135)
W vs #9 Thomas Dulorme TKO 6
W vs #1 Viktor Postol UD 12 (reigning WBC 140)
W vs #3 John Molina TKO 8
W vs #9 Felix Diaz RTD 10 (Diaz ranked at 147, fight at 140)
W vs #1 Julius Indongo KO 3 (reigning WBA/IBF 140)
W vs #4 Jeff Horn TKO 9 (reigning WBO 147)
W vs Amir Khan TKO 6 (fmr. WBA/IBF 140)
W vs #10 Egidijus Kavaliauskas TKO 9
W vs Kell Brook TKO 4 (fmr. IBF 147)
W vs #4 Shawn Porter TKO 10 (fmr. IBF 147; WBC 147)
W vs #9 David Avanesyan KO 6
W vs #1 Errol Spence Jr. TKO 9 (reigning WBA/WBC/IBF 147)
W vs #3 Israil Madrimov UD 12 (reigning WBA 154)
W vs #C Canelo Alvarez UD 12 (reigning undisputed 168; fmr lineal/Ring/WBA/WBC/IBF 160; WBO 175; WBC/Ring 154)

Other notable victories: Breidis Prescott, Andrey Klimov, Dierry Jean, Hank Lundy, Jose Benavidez Jr

15-0 vs top 10
10-0 vs top 5
5-0 vs #1 (or #2 if Crawford was #1)
12-0 vs fighters that won a legitimate world title
6-0 vs reigning world titlists
3-0 in unification fights
20-0 in world title fights
7-0 in lineal world championship fights
42-0-0-0 overall record, 31 KOs

135: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBO
140: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
147: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
154: WBA
160: (none)
168: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed

4 division lineal world champion
3 division undisputed world champion
5 division world titlist

Notable achievements:
-One of only three men to be lineal champion in four weight classes (Mayweather, Pacquiao)
-One of only six men to be world titlist in five weight classes (Hearns, Leonard, De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao)
-Only 3 division undisputed champion in the WBA/WBC era
-One of only five men to be undisputed champion in three weight classes ever (Fitzsimmons, Ross, Armstrong, Canzoneri)


Naoya Inoue
W vs #10 Ryoichi Taguchi UD 10 (ftr. WBA/IBF/Ring 108)
W vs #1 Adrian Hernandez TKO 6 (fmr. and reigning WBC 108)
W vs #1 Omar Narvaez KO 2 (fmr. WBO 112; reigning WBO 115)
W vs #8 Kohei Kono TKO 6 (fmr. 2X WBA 112)
W vs #5 Jamie McDonnell TKO 1 (fmr. IBF 118)
W vs #5 Juan Carlos Payano KO 1 (fmr. WBA 118)
W vs #6 Emmanuel Rodriguez KO 2 (reigning and ftr. IBF 118)
W vs #4 Nonito Donaire UD 12 (fmr. IBF 112; WBC/WBO 118; WBO/IBF 122; WBA 126; WBO 122; reigning WBA 118; ftr. WBC 118)
W vs #8 Jason Moloney KO 7 (future WBO 118)
W vs #2 Nonito Donaire TKO 2 (fmr. IBF 112; WBC/WBO 118; WBO/IBF 122; WBA 126; WBO 122; WBA 118; reigning WBC 118)
W vs #8 Paul Butler KO 11 (fmr. IBF 118; reigning WBO 118)
W vs #1 Stephen Fulton TKO 8 (reigning WBC/WBO 122; ftr. WBC 126)
W vs #2 Marlon Tapales KO 10 (fmr. WBO 118, reigning WBA/IBF 122)
W vs #3 Luis Nery KO 6 (fmr. WBC 118; WBC 122)
W vs TJ Doheny TKO 7 (fmr. IBF 122)
W vs #5 Ramon Cardenas TKO 8
W vs #1 Murodjon Akhmadaliev UD 12 (fmr. WBA/IBF 122)

Other notable victories: Petchbarngborn Kokietgym, Antonio Nieves, Michael Dasmarinas

16-0 vs top 10
11-0 vs top 5
6-0 vs #1 (or #2 if Inoue was #1)
16-0 vs fighters that won a legitimate world title
8-0 vs reigning world titlists
6-0 in unification fights
24-0 in world title fights (not counting WBA Regular)
8-0 in lineal world championship fights
31-0-0-0 overall record, 27 KOs

108: WBC
112: (none)
115: WBO
118: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
122: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed

2 division lineal world champion
2 division undisputed world champion
4 division world titlist

Notable achievement:
One of only four men in the 3/4 belt eras to be undisputed in two weight classes (Holyfield [3 belt], Crawford, Usyk)

Oleksandr Usyk
W vs #2 Krzysztof Glowacki UD 12 (reigning and future WBO cruiserweight)
W vs #10 Marco Huck TKO 10 (fmr. WBO crusierweight)
W vs #6 Mairis Briedis MD 12 (reigning WBC cruiserweight; future WBO cruiserweight; IBF/Ring/TBRB/lineal cruiserweight)
W vs #2 Murat Gassiev UD 12 (reigning WBA/IBF cruiserweight)
W vs Tony Bellew KO 8 (fmr. WBC cruiserweight)
W vs #1 Anthony Joshua UD 12 (fmr. and reigning WBA/IBF/WBO heavyweight)
W vs #2 Anthony Joshua SD 12 (fmr. 2X WBA/IBF/WBO heavyweight)
W vs Daniel Dubois KO 9 (ftr. IBF heavyweight)
W vs #1 Tyson Fury SD 12 (fmr. WBA/IBF/WBO/2X Ring/2X TBRB, reigning WBC/lineal heavyweight)
W vs #1 Tyson Fury UD 12 (fmr 2X lineal/TBRB/Ring; WBC; WBO/WBA/IBF)
W vs #1 Daniel Dubois KO 5 (reigning IBF heavyweight)


Other notable victories: Thabiso Mchunu, Michael Hunter, Derek Chisora

9-0 vs top 10
7-0 vs top 5
6-0 vs #1 (or #2 if Usyk was #1)
11-0 vs fighters that won a legitimate world title
6-0 vs reigning world titlists
4-0 in unification fights
13-0 in world title fights
5-0 in lineal world championship fights
24-0-0-0 overall record, 15 KOs

Cruiserweight: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
Heavyweight: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF X2, WBO undisputed (plus IBO) [stripped of IBF belt and then won it back during undisputed reign]

2 division lineal world champion
2 division undisputed world champion
2 division world titlist

Notable achievement:
-Usyk is 11-0 in his opponents' home countries and 5-0 on neutral ground, including 3-0 vs the A-side fighter in Saudi Arabia
-One of only four men in the 3/4 belt eras to be undisputed in two weight classes (Holyfield [3 belt], Crawford, Inoue)

Jesse Rodriguez
W vs #8 Carlos Cuadras UD 12 (fmr. WBC 115)
W vs #2 Srisaket Sor Rungvisai TKO 8 (fmr WBC 115; lineal/TBRB/Ring/WBC 115)
W vs #1 Sunny Edwards RTD 9 (reigning IBF 112)
W vs #C Juan Francisco Estrada KO 7 (fmr. WBA/WBO 112; WBA 115; reigning lineal/TBRB/Ring/WBC 115)
W vs #7 Pedro Guevara TKO 3 (fmr. WBC 112)
W vs #2 Phumelele Cafu TKO 10 (reigning WBO 115)

Other notable victories: Israel Gonzalez

6-0 vs top 10
4-0 vs top 5
2-0 vs #1 or Champion
6-0 vs fighters that won a legitimate world title
3-0 vs reigning world titlists
2-0 in unification fights
8-0 in world title fights
3-0 in lineal world championship fights
22-0-0-0 overall record, 15 KOs

1 division lineal world champion
2 division world titlist

112: IBF, WBO
115: WBC; Lineal, TBRB, Ring, WBC, WBO