Who is greater all time: Pac or Duran

[Malvado]

But ssm, dlh, said pac was toughest.. They might ve been past prime when they lost to pac, but still have their minds intact to assess..S SM was even more past prime when he lost to Nel o too but didn't say Nel o was toughest?I
Clottey lost split decision to cotton but lost 12 rounds to pac? I don't think Duran was ever as dominant as pac was

Cotto took way more punishment from Pacquiao's combination output punching and constant switching angles, but don't think Cotto in the downslide, could had hurt the bigger Canelo, who was just coasting for a win, not because Alvarez struggled that much but because he could do so without receiving punishment. To Pacquiao it was a challenge he aimed to add to his legacy, to Canelo it was a career management, a smaller fighter in the downslide that could catapult his career. De La Hoya was a zombie when he fought Pacquiao, when he fought Mayweather Jr he was already quite faded despite his very competitive performance, Oscar's gas tank was already quite affected and his punching power had faded quite a lot, imagine moving down from 160-154 to 147 after not making Welterweight for 7-8 years. To be fair, Manny had moved up 2 weight classes to fight Oscar who thought he was fighting a smaller man at a disadvantage. Manny does deserve credit. Not to the degree of beating Oscar De La Hoya who was in the later 90s and early 2000s. Oscar's gas rank, and reflexes were shot. His punching power and punch resistance lesser than it was against Mayweather Jr. For Shane Mosley, was already the end of his career, he likely felt he could nothing to beat Pacquiao overwhelming style. Stylistically he never faced this style before and struggled agaisn't fighters closer to his height, like when he lost to Cotto out timed and fighting on the inside. At the time, Mosley was coming off a draw agains't pillow fisted Sergio Mora and dominant loss to Mayweather, despite rocking Floyd once. Alvarez afterwards, also hand picked Mosley to catapult his career.

Duran has been dominant at Lightweight outside of Buchanan and his first loss to De Jesus. Above lightweight, he did have dominant wins in Cuevas, Palomino, and Moore. Leonard, Hagler and Barkley there is reasons at least, two of them are legends at their prime and he fought a huge Middleweight despite that Roberto was on the downslide. Roberto was the smaller man, unlike Pacquiao against Morales, Barrera and Marquez. Who are close to his size when he was acclimated to 126-130. Marquez at 130-147.

Pacquiao is a fighter who is a athletic phenom, who relies on reflexes, conditioning and accumulation by punch combinations. Duran is a fighter who acclimated to the divisions by relying more on his skill for defense/offense, weight acclimation for punch resistance and punching power. He downed Barkley and rocked Hagler in multiple intances giving him a swollen eye. He didn't down Jorge Castro, but to be fair he was 45 years old beating a 30 year old former Middleweight champion from Argentina.

[TheProudLunatic]

There isn't really a debate here. A quitter cannot be higher than Manny all time.

Getting knocked out twice by a couple of farmers is even worse

[TheProudLunatic]

Pac Bois have NOTHING TO SAY

Would they follow their leader and RUN AWAY from RANdom blood tests

We all know the shameful answer

Yes
They WOULD follow their COWARDLY hero and run away

[Haka]

Duran beat better opponents.

[TheProudLunatic]

But ssm, dlh, said pac was toughest.. They might ve been past prime when they lost to pac,

Understatement of the century

[Boxing 112]

Getting knocked out twice by a couple of farmers is even worse

Na def isn't. Nothing worse than quitting on your stool because you are getting schooled.

[TheProudLunatic]

Na def isn't. Nothing worse than quitting on your stool because you are getting schooled.

Bruh
He went 1-1 with a HOFer/ATG

Pac got smashed by a couple of nobodies
Got robbed by a part time school teacher
Got schooled by some Basic AF guy named Ugas

[TheProudLunatic]

The four kings duran, srl,hearns,hagler= duran x1 wins/4 losses
The four kings pac, barrera, morales, jmm= Pac x7 wins/2 losses

Pac more successful

Duran's Kings > Pac's "Kings" by far.

[SouthpawRight]

Its gotta be Duran, he has more definitive victories and faced absolute MONSTERS.

Additionally, he clears prime Pac in a head to head matchup.

Both are Top 12 ATGs, Duran being in the Top 7

1. Sugar Robinson
2. Harry Greb [possibly #1 if we had fight tape, middleweight who beat up a heavyweight hall of famer]
3. Henry Armstrong [midget who beat up bigger men]
4. Sam Langford [short man who beat up heavyweights]
5. Muhammad Ali
6. Ezzard Charles [as a kid beat up Charley Burley and Archie Moore]
7. Roberto Duran [beat prime top 10 atg Sugar Leonard]
8. Joe Louis
9. Willie Pep
10. Sugar Leonard [beat 4 all time greats which includes taking the 0's of Wilfred & Thomas and top 7 atg Roberto]
11. Floyd [easily beat 5 all time greats while past prime for 80% of them]
12. Benny Leonard
13. Jack Johnson
14. Archie Moore
15. Manny Paq [arguably the goat had he ultimately defeated Juan AND taken Floyd's 0]

[SouthpawRight]

Duran's Kings > Pac's "Kings" by far.

Duran beat his version of Floyd, Sugar Leonard who was prime

Manny fumbled hard against his Sugar Leonard, Floyd who was past prime

Floyd schooled Manny like Benny Leonard schooled his younger southpaw adversary Lew Tendler in the rematch