Who is greater all time: Pac or Duran

[hugh grant]

To be fair, unlike Pacquiao, Duran was at notable size disadvantage against Hearns and Hagler, yet gave a pretty great fight against Hagler and beat Barkley when Roberto was quite in the downslide. It be like Pacquiao going 15 rounds with a prime Golovkin and winning about 6-7 rounds, his opponent just edging it. Pacquiao was at a size disadvantage at 147-154, but don't think he was fighting champions of that caliber in Bradley, Ugas, and Thurman. He dominantly kicked Margarito's cheating ass but took punishment for it. Cotto and De La Hoya were also out of their prime.

Not saying his legacy is that much greater than Pacquiao who went from 108 to 154 actually besting more legends and prime former world champions, but Duran also has wins over championship level fighters like Saoul Mamby, Guts Ishimatsu, Vilomar Fernandez, Esteban De Jesus X2, Ken Buchanan, Pipino Cuevas, Carlos Palomino, Davey Moore, Jorge Castro, Iran Barkley and Sugar Ray Leonard. He also got a pretty close UD loss to Wilfred Benitez, where it was winnable for both, but Benitez out did Duran.

But ssm, dlh, said pac was toughest.. They might ve been past prime when they lost to pac, but still have their minds intact to assess..S SM was even more past prime when he lost to Nel o too but didn't say Nel o was toughest?I
Clottey lost split decision to cotton but lost 12 rounds to pac? I don't think Duran was ever as dominant as pac was

[Malvado]

But ssm, dlh, said pac was toughest.. They might ve been past prime when they lost to pac, but still have their minds intact to assess..S SM was even more past prime when he lost to Nel o too but didn't say Nel o was toughest?I
Clottey lost split decision to cotton but lost 12 rounds to pac? I don't think Duran was ever as dominant as pac was

Cotto took way more punishment from Pacquiao's combination output punching and constant switching angles, but don't think Cotto in the downslide, could had hurt the bigger Canelo, who was just coasting for a win, not because Alvarez struggled that much but because he could do so without receiving punishment. To Pacquiao it was a challenge he aimed to add to his legacy, to Canelo it was a career management, a smaller fighter in the downslide that could catapult his career. De La Hoya was a zombie when he fought Pacquiao, when he fought Mayweather Jr he was already quite faded despite his very competitive performance, Oscar's gas tank was already quite affected and his punching power had faded quite a lot, imagine moving down from 160-154 to 147 after not making Welterweight for 7-8 years. To be fair, Manny had moved up 2 weight classes to fight Oscar who thought he was fighting a smaller man at a disadvantage. Manny does deserve credit. Not to the degree of beating Oscar De La Hoya who was in the later 90s and early 2000s. Oscar's gas rank, and reflexes were shot. His punching power and punch resistance lesser than it was against Mayweather Jr. For Shane Mosley, was already the end of his career, he likely felt he could nothing to beat Pacquiao overwhelming style. Stylistically he never faced this style before and struggled agaisn't fighters closer to his height, like when he lost to Cotto out timed and fighting on the inside. At the time, Mosley was coming off a draw agains't pillow fisted Sergio Mora and dominant loss to Mayweather, despite rocking Floyd once. Alvarez afterwards, also hand picked Mosley to catapult his career.

Duran has been dominant at Lightweight outside of Buchanan and his first loss to De Jesus. Above lightweight, he did have dominant wins in Cuevas, Palomino, and Moore. Leonard, Hagler and Barkley there is reasons at least, two of them are legends at their prime and he fought a huge Middleweight despite that Roberto was on the downslide. Roberto was the smaller man, unlike Pacquiao against Morales, Barrera and Marquez. Who are close to his size when he was acclimated to 126-130. Marquez at 130-147.

Pacquiao is a fighter who is a athletic phenom, who relies on reflexes, conditioning and accumulation by punch combinations. Duran is a fighter who acclimated to the divisions by relying more on his skill for defense/offense, weight acclimation for punch resistance and punching power. He downed Barkley and rocked Hagler in multiple intances giving him a swollen eye. He didn't down Jorge Castro, but to be fair he was 45 years old beating a 30 year old former Middleweight champion from Argentina.

[TheProudLunatic]

There isn't really a debate here. A quitter cannot be higher than Manny all time.

Getting knocked out twice by a couple of farmers is even worse

[TheProudLunatic]

Pac Bois have NOTHING TO SAY

Would they follow their leader and RUN AWAY from RANdom blood tests

We all know the shameful answer

Yes
They WOULD follow their COWARDLY hero and run away