The lineal HW title. A fart in the wind.

[Coverdale]

I'm afraid there's a lot more to this than alt-right conspiracy theories.

https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-...tions-13285021

I didn't say it was a conspiracy theory, I said it was a talking point. If you want to talk seriously about that subject then this isn't the appropriate forum for it.

[Willow The Wisp]

There are entire threads dedicated to discussion regarding who was the lineal champion from the point of Fury's ban and retirement to the first Fury v Usyk fight.

You seem to think that the fact that you have a definitive belief in a set of rules must mean that you're right. Lineal is full of grey areas.

If you truly believe that lineal remained with Fury, then you truly believe that the lineal champion can be banned for Nandrolone, can retire, can blow up to 300 pounds, can defend the status against Pianeta and Seferi. If all of that is true then I don't know why we're even talking about it - it would be more pointless than a "Regular" title.

History is history.

[Toffee]

History is history.

Then Fury made history beating both Pianeta and Seferi. Two comfortable victories. He made history.

History is open to interpretation.

[kafkod]

I didn't say it was a conspiracy theory, I said it was a talking point. If you want to talk seriously about that subject then this isn't the appropriate forum for it.

No, you specifically said it was an alt-right talking point. Presumably because you think that only alt-right extremists give a shit about hundreds of white schoolgirls being systematically raped by gangs of Asian Muslim men, while the police, following orders from their masters in the civil service, turn a blind eye to it .

[Coverdale]

No, you specifically said it was an alt-right talking point. Presumably because you think that only alt-right extremists would give a shit about hundreds of white schoolgirls being systematically raped by gangs of Asian Muslim men, while the police, following orders from their masters in the civil service, turned a blind eye to it .

I did, because I was describing the limited way in which that subset of people tackle that complex issue. Do you understand now or are you going to continue arguing past me?

To return to what sparked this somewhat sordid digression, you were suggesting the chaotic and semi-literate Fury was such a threat to the establishment that 'they' (the government presumably) came up with this bizarre conspiracy to stage a failed drug test. He and his father have both also promoted anti-Semitic tropes about a certain ethnic group secretly controlling the world, the latter even saying it to Colin Hart's (who was of that group) face.

Perhaps you can confirm whether you agree with them or not so we need not waste time discussing anything further?

[kafkod]

I did, because I was describing the limited way in which that subset of people tackle that complex issue. Do you understand now or are you going to continue arguing past me?

To return to what sparked this somewhat sordid digression, you were suggesting the chaotic and semi-literate Fury was such a threat to the establishment that 'they' (the government presumably) came up with this bizarre conspiracy to stage a failed drug test. He and his father have both also promoted anti-Semitic tropes about a certain ethnic group secretly controlling the world, the latter even saying it to Colin Hart's (who was of that group) face.

Perhaps you can confirm whether you agree with them or not so we need not waste time discussing anything further?

"I did, because I was describing the limited way in which that subset of people tackle that complex issue"

I don't understand why you would do that in reply to a comment from me, unless you were assuming that I was one of that subset of people.


"Perhaps you can confirm whether you agree with them or not so we need not waste time discussing anything further?"

This was a very complicated case, which I followed closely, as I was a massive Tyson Fury fan back then.

This is a summary of what happened:

In Feb 2015, elevated level of nandrolone were detected by UKAD in Fury's post fight urine sample after he beat Christian Hammer. A follow up blood sample was clean. (Same thing happened with Tyson's cousin, Hughie, who fought on the same bill). Nandrolone is produced naturally in the human body, and elevated levels can occur naturally after ingestion of legal supplements and food stuffs, combined with strenuous exercise. The Fury's were questioned by UKAD and given some dietary advice, but no charges were brought against them. They were both being trained by Hughie's father, Peter Fury, at that time.

In May 2016, Tyson Fury kicked up a shit storm of controversy with comments he made about homosexuals, transsexuals, and Jewish financiers.

In June 2016, 15 months after the flagged samples were taken, and one month after those controversial comments from Tyson, UKAD decided to charge Tyson and Hughie with a PED violation and the BBBoC suspended their licenses. The Fury's appealed against this suspension, and after a court hearing, the BBBoC were ordered by the court to lift their suspensions. Team Fury then brought a legal case against UKAD for defamation and loss of earnings.

In Sept 2016, UKAD inspectors visited the Fury's gym to conduct a random test on Tyson Fury. Fury refused to provide any samples, and reportedly told the UKAD team to **** off out of his gym. UKAD then charged him with refusing to provide a sample for testing, which carries a 4 year ban.

In Dec 2017, after a series of postponements of the hearings into the nandrolne charges, some requested by team Fury, some requested by UKAD, Team Fury and UKAD announced that a deal had been struck to resolve their issues.

Team Fury dropped their defamation case against UKAD and accepted back dated 2 year bans for Tyson and Hughie for the nandrolone violations, and UKAD withdrew the charge of refusing to provide a test sample they had brought against Tyson.

[kafkod]

History is history.

Reality is real. It's the way I really feel.

[Smash]

and to think usyk's people are literally dying to become like the west

its a money thing, noone wants to be poor