Floyd Mayweather vs Juan Manuel Marquez

[The Big Dunn]

So Manny has height/reach advantage on Oscar/Cotto/Margarito and pulled all those guys up two weight classes?

Answer the question direct please

No. He was the a side so he CW’d them. Stop pretending I said otherwise to try and deflect from Manny using the same a side power Floyd used.

Moving on.

[djtmal]

[QUOTE=The Big Dunn;n32505512]

No./QUOTE]

And you know godammed well that he don't

So why do you insist that it's the same situation as Mayweather pulling Marquez up two weight classes and welching on the catchweight, despite already having a significant height/reach advantage

It is clear that it's not

You want to omit details that don't support your boy

[djtmal]

The guy clearly says:

Marquez could never beat Mayweather regardless of weight, body shape, steroids, or whatever other lame excuses you want to use.

So we beg to ask....

so if that is the case, why did Mayweather need every conceivable advantage to fight him.

He already had a natural height/reach advantage, and Marquez certainly was untested two weightclasses up

[ELPacman]

Marquez could never beat Mayweather regardless of weight, body shape, steroids, or whatever other lame excuses you want to use.

It's also funny how you conveniently left out that Mayweather was coming off a two year lay off.

I'm not saying he could beat Mayweather. I don't think the layoff mattered for Mayweather. He was still training, still young and just keeping an eye on how the welterweights beat each other up to come back and pick them off. Just because he was 2 years laid off and it kept him fresh, doesn't mean bringing up Marquez up a weight class was in anyway going to help Marquez.

[elfag]

Most fighters fight a mix of guys bigger and smaller.

Even say Ali was relatively large for his time, was heavier than fraizer, was only 4 pounds smaller than "big george".

Mayweather fights ONE confirmed guy who was actually smaller than him on fight night in his last 20 fights, even zab and Pacquaio were the same weight as floyd or more and then they make a huge deal out of it. Never mind that JMM was what p4p number 2 in the world they still cry how much smaller he was. Its seriously the only guy anyone can confirm weighed less on fight night in Floyds 20+ championship fights.

[Grandma Lover]

Same reason Manny drained Cotto and ODH and CW’d Margs- he used his power as the a side.

Stop complaining about that only when Floyd does it.

Manny didn't drain cotto and Oscar was the a side you fvkcing idiot.

[Brother Mouzone]

I don't think the layoff mattered for Mayweather. He was still training

This is true .This point , though is part of what makes Floyd an ATG that dude was disciplined AF all year round .

[TintaBoricua]

to be hoenst, jmm was never really THAT good, he just has the perfect style for manny and since pacman was so dominate at that time, it made marquez look like he was a lot better than he really is.... but when jmm fought against other great fighters, he was nothing special... i mean just look at his fight against tim bradley LOL.

JMM was a very good fighter, he just wasn’t phenomenal in any particular department like Floyd was with his defense or Pacquiao with his offense. He didn’t have movie star good looks nor did he have a charismatic personality. Marquez gets his flowers but he never had superstar appeal or that “it” factor.

Stylistically, he was an excellent combination counter-puncher. The difference between him and Floyd (as counter-punchers) was that Floyd was a very clean counter puncher. He’d make you miss, clock you and get out or parry, tag you, and wheel away. Marquez on the other hand would stick his head in the fan and get into skirmishes…75-80% time he’d end up winning it and his uppercut was absolute dynamite.

By the end of March 2008 when he had his second fight with Pacquiao, a lot of people I think were look on at him as an entertaining fighter…which was perhaps kind of an exaggeration. Marquez could stink up the joint because he was a counterpuncher through and through, but he was able to look sensational anytime he had a come forward fighter, which is why his fights with Pacquiao (1, 2 and 4), Juan Diaz (1) and Katsidis are a glitzy showcase for his counter punching combination prowess.

[TintaBoricua]

Ok so if that is the case, why did Mayweather need every conceivable advantage to fight him.

He already had a natural height/reach advantage, and Marquez certainly was untested two weightclasses up

I don’t think Marquez could’ve ever beaten Mayweather at 147, 144…nor did it matter whether or not Marquez had acclimated to the weight as he did by 2013-2013.

A lot of people tend to overlook the fact that the fight originally was scheduled for July 2009 but got pushed back to September 2009 which benefitted Marquez to get more accustomed.

All the reasons above and the fact that Marquez looked good in later fights in his final years at welterweight (against power punchers) to me don’t convince me nevertheless that he would’ve fared much better against a defensive wizard like Floyd.

[djtmal]

I don’t think Marquez could’ve ever beaten Mayweather at 147, 144…nor did it matter whether or not Marquez had acclimated to the weight as he did by 2013-2013.

A lot of people tend to overlook the fact that the fight originally was scheduled for July 2009 but got pushed back to September 2009 which benefitted Marquez to get more accustomed.

All the reasons above and the fact that Marquez looked good in later fights in his final years at welterweight (against power punchers) to me don’t convince me nevertheless that he would’ve fared much better against a defensive wizard like Floyd.

Ok so again if you don't think Marquez would have beaten Mayweather, why did Floyd not honor the catchweight agreement, being that he held every conceivable advantage naturally, plus Marquez was totally untested at 147. Having an extra two months isn't gonna make him a full fledged ww imo