Who is greater all time: Floyd or Usyk?

[moochi]

Very hard to compare. And remember this is an english speaking, majority USA boxing forum. So hardly home for a neutral comparison.

Floyd
Floyd moved up all of what, 14 or 16 points throughout his career.

Fought more fighters, and champions. Higher amount of wins and against other champions.

Fought at home, always. Never fought outside his base, controlled most of his fights.

Had at least 2 highly controversial wins, I think majority of fans accept he definitely lost the first fight to Castillo.


Usyk
Olympic Gold Medallist

Fought tough champions, always away from home, always won, never controversial.

Fought opponents 50lbs heavier.

[djtmal]

I don’t think it’s that in any way.

I think it’s the hate for Floyd that causes these threads and responses. You look past that.

Look at who created the thread? Also, if the situations were reversed, no way anyone would make this type of thread and many surely wouldn’t vote Floyd.

For years on NSB there has been a movement led by Pac fans like the thread starter to lessen Floyd. because he beat Manny and everyone else. Yet you will not criticize their irrational jealousy and hatred.

Stop crying the knocks on Floyd are all truth.

Never beat an all time great fighter in their prime.

Avoided natural welterweights unless you want to count Carlos Baldymir

Needed too many advantages

30% risk or less

If Floyd just beat the best guys in their prime you wouldn't be crying so much

[joseph5620]

Very hard to compare. And remember this is an english speaking, majority USA boxing forum. So hardly home for a neutral comparison.

Floyd
Floyd moved up all of what, 14 or 16 points throughout his career.

Fought more fighters, and champions. Higher amount of wins and against other champions.

Fought at home, always. Never fought outside his base, controlled most of his fights.

Had at least 2 highly controversial wins, I think majority of fans accept he definitely lost the first fight to Castillo.


Usyk
Olympic Gold Medallist

Fought tough champions, always away from home, always won, never controversial.

Fought opponents 50lbs heavier.

Mayweather started at 130 and moved up to 154. So your math is way off and strips your credibility on this topic.

Also. Usyk's first fight with Dubois was definitely controversial. Saying anything to the contrary just means you're either lying or delusional.

[The Big Dunn]

Stop crying the knocks on Floyd are all truth.

Never beat an all time great fighter in their prime.

Avoided natural welterweights unless you want to count Carlos Baldymir

Needed too many advantages

If Floyd just beat the best guys in their prime you wouldn't be crying so much

No one is crying. It’s irrational the hatred and jealousy you and others have because he beat guys you like.

You have absolutely no credibility as you use opponent rank to defend the guys you like but then don’t use that with Floyd because using the same standard puts Floyd way above them. IronDan had exposed this about you.

Floyd beat the best guys when they finally decided to fight him.

As usual with irrational and jealous posters like yourself, you like to pretend Floyd didn’t work his way up the hard way because Floyd was high risk, no reward.

As such the guys you loved refused to fight him until Fishnets had no where else to turn. Once he beat Fishnets and he became the cash cow they lined up and begged for a fight.

But we know you will never be honest about that.

[daggum]

Everyone knows in boxing that the Cruiserweight Divisions during Oleksandr Uysk's era 'Have been one of the least competitive divisions in the entire sport. David Haye's era as a Cruiserweight Champion, was much more competitive with greater fighters. Beating Jean Marc Mormeck for the WBA, WBC and Lineal titles is a superior cruiserweight win than any of Oleksandr Uysk's wins at Cruiserweight'.

Everyone knows? How was usyks era weak? He beat gassiev who was #1. Breidis who was #1 after usyk left. He beat glowacki who was #2. He beat huck and mchunu who were top 10.

Haye beat mormeck and maccarinelli. Dont see how thats better. Enzo being in the top 5 should tell you how weak that era was because he never beat a top 10 fighter. Gassiev has 2 wins over guys who were #1 or went on to be #1. Breidis beat the top 2 guys in the Division. Glowacki beat the #1 guy. Sounds far more competitive to me.

Mormeck is definitely a good win but Mormeck was also 35 and had recently been kod before regaining his title. Gassiev breidis and glowacki were all undefeated and prime.

[Haka]

The problem with picking Floyd over Usyk is that you must make necessarily Maidana an ATG which he clearly isn't with his losses to Kotelnik Khan Alexander.

[djtmal]

No one is crying. It’s irrational the hatred and jealousy you and others have because he beat guys you like.

Seriously who cares if Floyd beat cfighters (Guerrero Madonna2x Ortiz) or shopworn guys (Cotto Manny Shane)

He is gonna always be judged by who he beat and when he beat them

No bruh it's you who spew the hatred/jealousy rhetoric.

Anytime people lay out the cons of Mayweather, which is factual, you and all your little Floyd cronies always say someone hating get over it.

Floyd. He his own boss until it's time to take some accountability then it's everybody else's fault

[djtmal]

As such the guys you loved refused to fight him until Fishnets had no where else to turn.

Lol and how about the guys who was happy to fight him but he backed out of the fights Winky and Margarito

Here we go trying to paint this everybody was ducking Floyd picture

[The Big Dunn]

Seriously who cares if Floyd beat cfighters (Guerrero Madonna2x Ortiz) or shopworn guys (Cotto Manny Shane)

He is gonna always be judged by who he beat and when he beat them

No bruh it's you who spew the hatred/jealousy rhetoric.

Anytime people lay out the cons of Mayweather, which is factual, you always say someone hating get over it.

Floyd. He his own boss until it's time to take some accountability then it's everybody else's fault

I refute those cons with facts because the cons you guys lay out are never honest.

Take you as an example. You make a thread calling for Floyd to fight Shame next because you thought Shane would beat Floyd because Shane beat Margs . Cool.

Floyd does exactly that 5 months later. Floyd wins. Then you claim you didn’t make the thread ( which got proven to be a lie) and you then claimed Shane had no chance to win.

This is the type of irrational hatred and jealousy that doesn’t make sense. It makes every other criticism you have suspect.

[daggum]

No one is crying. It’s irrational the hatred and jealousy you and others have because he beat guys you like.

You have absolutely no credibility as you use opponent rank to defend the guys you like but then don’t use that with Floyd because using the same standard puts Floyd way above them. IronDan had exposed this about you.

Floyd beat the best guys when they finally decided to fight him.

As usual with irrational and jealous posters like yourself, you like to pretend Floyd didn’t work his way up the hard way because Floyd was high risk, no reward.

As such the guys you loved refused to fight him until Fishnets had no where else to turn. Once he beat Fishnets and he became the cash cow they lined up and begged for a fight.

But we know you will never be honest about that.

I think tbe point people are making is that people lined up but only guys like bsldomir made it into the club. Floyd was the doorman and only let bums in. When floyd had all the power in boxing he still didn't make the fights so your argument kinda sinks floyd.

And its not like Floyd was fighting great comp with top rank turning down marg to fight Zab and sharmba, pricing himself out of a cotto fight by demanding 20 million to fight hoya, then floyd happily accepted 10 million for Hoya when cotto wasn't part of the deal.

the one constant was floyd. He didn't want the smoke as they say and to blame it on everyone else in boxing is laughable. He had thee most power in boxing. Even when he was with top rank he was far more powerful then any potentiall opponent. You think tr-ump wants to release the epstien list too? I mean he said he did! Ignore all his actions to cover up that hes not...why ignore all Floyd's actions?