Sorry Ali fans, Usyk has replaced him as “The Greatest” Heavyweight.

[BirdSong]

So let me get this straight with a mere 8 wins at heavyweight six of those eight are against the same three opponents makes Usyk the greatest? This was a weak attempt at rage baiting.

is he the gote then?



stands for greatest of this era

[TheIronMike]

People also overlook Usyk’s unbelievable cruiserweight run.

Dude beat:
Undefeated Gassiev
Undefeated Breidis
Undefeated Hunter
Undefeated Glowacki

Took all their 0s and fought them in foreign territory.

Cruiserweights that people will have to google in 10 years....nice.....

Lets look at Usyk's HW resume.....his best win is Anthony Joshua, who is fundamentally a flawed fighter who would lose to Tony Tucker.

[BirdSong]

in boxing to be a top atg do u not have to beat another atg?

[BirdSong]

Cruiserweights that people will have to google in 10 years....nice.....

Lets look at Usyk's HW resume.....his best win is Anthony Joshua, who is fundamentally a flawed fighter who would lose to Tony Tucker.

would fury lose to tony tucker?

[TheIronMike]

would fury lose to tony tucker?

Yes. Fury needed to armbar USS Cunningham to win, struggled with Wallin.....yeah Fury is getting packed up by every WBA title holder in the 80s.

[Da Pimper]

Cruiserweights that people will have to google in 10 years....nice.....

Lets look at Usyk's HW resume.....his best win is Anthony Joshua, who is fundamentally a flawed fighter who would lose to Tony Tucker.

Spoken like a true casual who don’t know sht about boxing. Nice!

[Toffee]

in boxing to be a top atg do u not have to beat another atg?

I don't think boxers fight enough nowadays to generate multiple ATGs in the same era. Usyk did twice beat a guy who himself beat 6 top 10 ranked fighters, unified belts, became a two time heavyweight champion, in addition to an Olympic gold. If you avoid actually saying the fighter's name then those stats would comfortably give him the credibility that a 70s or 90s fighter would have got.

He has, though, beaten the best that this era had to offer.

[strykr619]

ippo Golden Bull Bipolar Hero Jacobson

Look.

Any comparison between Usyk and Ali is simply not warranted.

Calm down.

Muhammed Ali best wins are prime George Foreman and Joe Frazier, that is top 10 heavyweights of all time. He also beat a very close to prime Sonny Liston, a top 10 heavyweight. There was a 14-year period between Ali winning the Lineal heavyweight title and the last time he held it

Usyk hasn't even had a 14 year career. He's only had 24 fights. For Usyk to try to compete, he’d have to beat Parker, Zhang, Bakole, Kabayel, Ituama, etc. Hell, Opetaia too, probably Bivol and Beterbiev also.

Ali fought literally everyone..

Don't forget, tonight was Usyk's FIRST real beat-down and schooling of an elite HW

His two fights with AJ and Fury were very competitive (He won them all, but he hardly ran them outta the ring). At the time, some even thought (I didn't) Derek Chisora did enough to get a draw against Usyk and many thought that in Usyk Vs Dubois 1. That was a legal shot by DDD and he should have got the belt.

So it would take a much more special fighter than Usyk to eclipse Ali at heavyweight. Usyk is good, but Ali does everything better than him and is simply far more talented. You know how Roy Jones was able to make elite technicians like James Toney and Bernard Hopkins look like mugs? That's that would happen to Usyk once Ali shows he's Usyk's equal in technical ability but has better stamina, faster hands, better foot speed and more power.

And I'm talking about young Ali (Cassisus Clay) not the Ali who fought Foreman or even Frazier, the Ali before the Vietnam sanction

As a young man, Ali could fight like that, at pretty much that pace for 15 rounds.

Now, if you wrote that Usyk would beat the 2nd coming of Ali ? Post Vietnam ? The slower, less dancing Ali ? That's a fair argument, I still don't think Usyk would, but I'm not as certain. I'm only 70% certain that the older Ali would beat Usyk, Whereas I'm 99% certain the young Ali beats Usyk.

A young Ali was pretty much untouchable before the forced exile from boxing. Mate - I'll take it to the next level. Usyk would not even land a punch on the young Ali (Cassius Clay). Maybe if Usyk went 15 years unbeaten at World title level, we could have a discussion about it.

But it's ironic that both Uysk and Ali share a birthday and are both are six foot three inches in height, have a seventy-eight reach and their optimum fighting weight is between 215 and 220 pounds,

Stop giving them facts.... It will hurt their egos.

[Bennyleonard99]

Like Djokovic in tennis, Usyk is the greatest boxing champion of all time. Well said by thread starter, nothing to add except Usyk has been pugilistic perfection, he has never made a mistake in the ring or out, perfect career, perfect gentleman, ambassador for the sport, no matter what they throw at him, he solves the puzzle every single time. Usyk makes this sport look easy. The most brutal sport on earth, he makes it look simple and easy. Amazing ring genius.

[TheIronMike]

Spoken like a true casual who don’t know sht about boxing. Nice!

I've forgotten more about boxing than you've ever known