Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder takes apart Tyrell Anthony Herndon

[kafkod]

Wilder looked kind of ok for the first 4 rounds when he was focused on his jab. But when he started going for it, trying to get rid of Herndon, all the old faults showed up again, made worse by the natural deterioration of age and wear and tear from hard fights.

I don't understand how anybody could be in boxing for 20+ years without learning basic fundamental things like moving your legs and upper body together, instead of lunging forward, leaving your feet behind, then tripping over them or overbalancing when you try to adjust. Like not smothering your own work by rushing in too fast with your punches, leaving no space to land them cleanly.

I also don't understand why, whenever he gains weight, it all ends up on his chest and shoulders, leaving him top heavy on skinny legs and making his bad balance even worse. Has Jay Deas never thought about getting him a S&C coach to sort that body imbalance out? Or is Wilder just too stubborn and head strong to try something like that? I remember Mark Breland saying that Deontay was basically untrainable, because of his refusal to take advice from his training team.

He achieved a lot in his career with natural speed, explosive power and ferocity, combined with very careful match-making. But he could have been so much better, and achieved so much more.

[the point giver]

He probably got some fairly good money fighting this bum. Maybe 1 million?

If so he should just fight a few more bums, then maybe cash out for bigger money.

For now, he should stick to the bums.

[Willow The Wisp]

Anthony Joshua's last performance even during a loss vs Daniel Dubois, was better than Deontay Wilder's win vs Tryell Herndon in my opinion 'That is how unimpressive, and insignificant in terms of World level Wilder's performance was last night'.

But, I will say this? I think Deontay Wilder just needed a win on his resume. I have always classed him a fighter, who will attempt to raise his game against better opponents. Because Deontay Wilder's skill level is not super high, sometimes? Fighters even at domestic level, can make him appear to be under-par if they survive his power.

That is what happened last night 'Tryelll Herdon was enduring Wilder's power much more better than many people anticipated. Tryell Herndon was most likely in the best condition he has ever been in for a fight, for a very long time. Much like when Jermaine Franklin fought Anthony Joshua, Franklin was 22 pounds lighter than his previous fight against Dillian Whyte. Franklin weighed in at 254 pounds vs Whyte, and then 234 pounds vs Anthony Joshua'.

Note: Now I think Jermaine Franklin potentially could be one of the best American Heavyweight fighters right now, and would have a chance of beating Deontay Wilder. But the point I am making is? Fighters raise their game when they compete against fighters with the prestige of Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder'.

To conclude: Regardless. I still don't think it was a great performance by Deontay Wilder, his conditioning seemed to be way below even his usual standards. Wilder seemed to be fatigued and very static in terms of movement, and agility. But I suppose the important thing is that, Wilder achieved a stoppage win. Deontay Wilder definitively needs more fights, at a higher level before challenging any top level Heavyweight fighters. Wilder's power and speed did not look super dangerous in my opinion. I am sure Wilder and his team know they have to improve, at least now they have a reference point from where they can build from for the future'.

Deontay Wilder post fights comments, that the Anthony Joshua fight can take its time 'Is a clear indication that Wilder and his team know they are miles off challenging Anthony Joshua. Certain folk within the boxing community may attempt to mock and ridicule Joshua, but nobody can deny his game. Anthony Joshua is one of the very few Heavyweight fighters with the combined attributes of World to elite level power and skill for skill boxing ability' etc.

Another good post.
I understand the idea of being an unapologetic Anthony Joshua fan.

I am too.
I have posted hyperbolic and critical statements about him, admittedly; but only for the purpose of countering misguided, ill-informed insults some less than sharp fans had conjured up about Wilder, whose trail is littered with the corpses of title aspirants with "higher ring IQ".

People who are casual fans of the sport don't seem capable of grasping the extraordinary nature of a top 10 Heavyweight boxer; much like racing fans screeming "Come on you Nag!!!" At one of the world's top 3 year old thoroughbreds at the track.

It's too easy to become a skilled tradesman or a degreed office worker to truly understand that level of exceptionalism.


One idiot here claims that he has acquaintances "who would scare Wilder ". Given what it takes to be a 40 million dollar fighter, it's FAR more likely that he shoots hoops with guys who are better than the players in the NBA.


The fight is too distanced from its 2015 - 2020 zenith to accurately guage who might have won between prime time Wilder and Joshua, but it would still serve as an era rank placing event. And a fight drawing in our passions.


For years, I wrote boxing coverage and history, and while I enjoy sharing some perspectives on a message board today, I miss not having to read the claptrap responses from fans; who were never credited with being especially smart.

[STREET CLEANER]

He had the right opponent in front of him trying to survive. It seemed to me that he can't pull the trigger fast enough. He was trying and kept missing until the other guy tired.

[landotter]

It was what we thoughg it would be. I 100% thought it was Saturday night though so shows you how much interest I had in this fight.

[thack]

Wilder is shot ...period.

[champion4ever]

There goes Wilder, back to fighting tomato cans again. His head and ego is now the size of Texas. He will fight a few more of these tomato cans, win a few fights then lose when he fights someone in the top ten.

Those are the type of fighters he need to fight at this stage of his career. In order to build both his confidence and boxing conditioning back.

[steeve steel]

Wilder looked like S-h-i-t ! No improvement whatsoever. Poor jab and horrible footwork, as always. No head movement and throwing wide shots. Legacy re-burned. Should become a bouncer in some dive bar in Alabama.

[dannnnn]

It's remarkable how Wilder suddenly isn't gun-shy anymore when he has a club fighter in front of him. Still, it really must have been his personal demons that prevented him from throwing punches against Parker and Zhang like he said. That cheater Tyson Fury and his egg weights destroying his confidence, the ayahuasca trips, the shoulder injuries, the boxing industry being out to get him etc, etc. His worst performances can definitely all be attributed to those factors alone and not at all to the step up in quality of opposition, which was purely coincidental.

And what a chin on Herndon! I mean we're talking about the hardest puncher in boxing history here. The man who only needs one right hand and it's over. He landed plenty yet somehow Herndon never looked hurt once. In the end he only succumbed to a combination of tiredness and not being arsed to carry on anymore. Remarkable chin though. Oliver McCall would be proud.

This was no better or worse than Aj getting booed in a half empty wembly arena against Franklin on an L to Whyte

Franklin would be one of Wilder's better wins. Let that sink in.

[Bennyleonard99]

Wilder might be able to beat a heavy bag. He'd be the odds on favorite but the heavy bag is a live underdog.