The skill of Deontay Wilder

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  • daggum
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    #101
    Originally posted by Willow The Wisp
    Wilder's power ruined Both Ortiz and Fury.
    Fury and Ortiz Ruined Wilder, in 5 classic wars.
    Nothing that any of them did following those wars is reflective of who they were during their respective primes.

    The current era is 2015 - 2025

    1. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 23-0-0 (14)
    2. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)
    3. Deontay Wilder, USA 43-4-1 (42)
    4. Daniel Dubois, England 22-2-0 (21)
    5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (24)
    6. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24)
    7. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22)
    8. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18)
    9. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22)
    10.Luis Ortiz, Cuba 34-3-0 (29)
    11.Dillian Whyte, England 31-3-0 (21)
    12.Martin Bakole, Congo 21-2-1. (16)
    13.Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine 64-5-0 (53)
    14.Joe Joyce, England 16-4-0 (15)
    15.Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22)
    What a shame wilder was ruined right at the exact moment he started fighting top competition. It's OK he banked all those wins against bums first so he can always fall back on them when judging his amazing resume.
    Last edited by daggum; 05-14-2025, 03:19 PM.

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    • daggum
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      #102
      Originally posted by billeau2

      That is where it becomes so important for people to look at the fights... Not the judges decisions, not other sources, but to watch the actual events. Otherwise it is hard to understand things like, the general mean for quality of fighters, etc. With Wilder one really has to see how devistating a puncher he is to appreciate his ability.
      Look at how wikder constantly fell over windmilling punches agaisnt complete bums. If you don't actually watch the fights wlyou wouldnt see that skill

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        #103
        Originally posted by MulaKO

        And that is all he had and that went out the window faster than he could say bomb squad

        Lmfao
        Not all great fighters last long. Some fighters are great because they last long... and everything in between. Wilder was able to win an olympic metal and fight at the top of the food chain because of his punch. I personally cannot think of another heavyweight who got as far just on a punch. Even fighters known as bruisers, like Luis Firpo were had attributes other than a punch, and did not have the power of a real puncher.

        Even closet punchers, guys like Morrison and Weaver had many other tricks... And obvious punchers like Shavers and Foreman could box quite well especially considering the present division.

        It is true this is a weak division, but even so, Wilder managed to achieve a championship fight he almost won. he did this against a formidable boxer to boot. Thats gotta count for somethin!

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          #104
          Originally posted by daggum

          Look at how wikder constantly fell over windmilling punches agaisnt complete bums. If you don't actually watch the fights wlyou wouldnt see that skill
          And Pray tell, what do you know about proper punching form? Did you ever read Dempsey's book on punching? It is as relevant today as when it was written, a highly unusual distinction considering how much boxing has apparently "evolved." Dempsey makes the point that balance is somewhat overrated as an attribute of hitting things really hard. Maybe Wilder's technique had faults... But being off balance never seemed to get him counter punched... Show me a fight where it did please... Nobody countered his shots because they were afraid.

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            #105
            Originally posted by billeau2

            Not all great fighters last long. Some fighters are great because they last long... and everything in between. Wilder was able to win an olympic metal and fight at the top of the food chain because of his punch. I personally cannot think of another heavyweight who got as far just on a punch. Even fighters known as bruisers, like Luis Firpo were had attributes other than a punch, and did not have the power of a real puncher.

            Even closet punchers, guys like Morrison and Weaver had many other tricks... And obvious punchers like Shavers and Foreman could box quite well especially considering the present division.

            It is true this is a weak division, but even so, Wilder managed to achieve a championship fight he almost won. he did this against a formidable boxer to boot. Thats gotta count for somethin!

            A bad crop is how I would put it


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              #106
              Originally posted by MulaKO


              A bad crop is how I would put it

              Well I cannot argue that point .

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                #107
                Originally posted by daggum

                What a shame wilder was ruined right at the exact moment he started fighting top competition. It's OK he banked all those wins against bums first so he can always fall back on them when judging his amazing resume.
                False. He beat Ortiz and was ruined fighting Fury, after giving such an effort that he almost won. But to a Joshua stan like yourself it can not be acknowledged because it makes Joshua look out of the loop having fought neither Fury or Wilder and not being as compatative with Usyk as Fury! Nice try

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                  #108
                  Originally posted by billeau2

                  False. He beat Ortiz and was ruined fighting Fury, after giving such an effort that he almost won. But to a Joshua stan like yourself it can not be acknowledged because it makes Joshua look out of the loop having fought neither Fury or Wilder and not being as compatative with Usyk as Fury! Nice try
                  that unnecessary 3rd fight shaved years off of each's career

                  Deontay effectively conspiracy theory whined his way into the trilogy

                  unneeded bout Fury outboxed Deontay the first time and destructed him the second time

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                    #109
                    wilder is terrible skill-wise, his main strength is the whole danger factor he brings - he's capable of closing the distance and getting that power right hand off in an instant. Doesn't matter how skilled the opponent is, if not totally focused for every second of every round wilder always has a chance. Don't now if that's the case now though, it looks like he can't pull the trigger anymore.

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                      #110
                      With that type of game changing power; Deontay Wilder would be a serious challenge for any of the current heavyweights today. It doesn't matter who they are. He just has to change trainers.

                      In order to learn how to throw and land it again and who is more suited for that job other than one Mark Breland himself? However, if Deontay keeps Malik Scott on as his lead boxing coach and head trainer.

                      Then he isn't serious and lying to himself that he is hungry to become champion again. Likewise, this comeback will be just a waste of everyone's time; Including his own. He might as well should just stay retired then.​​

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