Post Your Controversial Boxing Opinions

[TheProudLunatic]

It 1000% was. Obviously Adelaid Byrd's 118-110 for Canelo was too wide and not a true reflection of the fight. Secondly, the judge Don Trella who turned in a 114-114 card actually awarded round 7 to Canelo despite it being Golovkin's best round in the entire fight where he landed the most punches of any round. Even Adelaid Byrd, who only gave 2 rounds to GGG awarded him that round. Had Don Trella correctly awarded round 7 to GGG, his card would be 115-113 in Golovkin's favour meaning he would've won a split decision over Canelo.

The score was wide by a mile but the right guy won the fight.
If a person were to watch that fight without bias, you'd notice how ineffective GGG was.
His jab was a thing of beauty
Everything else was pure failure.
Did he even land a combo ?!?!?
A body blow ?!?!?

There were times when Nelo was on the ropes and made GGG look foolish.
Nelo showed him too much respect
Something he didn't do in the rematch.

[SouthpawRight]

For some unknown reason, the judges scored punches to the forearms and shoulders
Gave mindless aggression too much credit
The only moves Maidana didn't employ was kicking and biting

lot of boxing fans don't know that clean punching is king

and confuse any aggression for EFFECTIVE aggression. aggression that isn't landing means the other guy is scoring points for defense

most viewers are inattentive and can't tell what landed or not

ringside sometimes gets a bad angle where they can't see sht so throwing more to outwork the opponent becomes a viable strategy

[TheProudLunatic]

lot of boxing fans don't know that clean punching is king

and confuse any aggression for EFFECTIVE aggression. aggression that isn't landing means the other guy is scoring points for defense

most viewers are inattentive and can't tell what landed or not

ringside sometimes gets a bad angle where they can't see sht so throwing more to outwork the opponent becomes a viable strategy

Fight fans have those big assed monitors, or, if they're watching at home, have the best views.....and yet, see shlt that didn't happen.

Sergio Mora, throughout Nelo v GGG 1 ~ "GGG has Nelo on the ropes. He's pushing the action. Not effective but judges like that."
Not verbatim but pretty much word for word.

And he's an ex boxer who depended on ring generalship !!!!

[MeanestNiceGuy]

Call me crazy, but the whole "Boxing is dead" theory seems to be coming to fruition--especially after the tragic cards last weekend (e.g., Times Square BS, Canelo/Scull). Think about it, boxing is no longer on network television after July when Top Rank ends it's relationship with ESPN.

Nobody wants to invest in boxing on a main s t r e a m level and the current 'talent' seem to be treating the sport like a paycheck instead of showing true passion for the sport. I mean, by all means, make your money but don't disrespect the sport like last weekend.

We had boxing HBO, Showtime, ESPN and Haymon had it on regular tv just 10 years ago...now this. We have to watch it on an app. Maybe it's a combination of network tv/main****** media dying and lack of superstars/potential in the sport.

I've been a diehard fan of the sport since 2004 and bough my share of PPVs since 2008...most, if not all of them. I kept cable over the years in order to keep ESPN, HBO and Showtime just for boxing but I was genuinely sick to my stomach last weekend.

I hope I'm wrong.

[TheProudLunatic]

Not meaning to hurt feelings but boxing absolutely has BUMS.
Every career has them.
Every form of entertainment has them.
I love boxing but it's combatants are not above ridicule.

[Toffee]

Not meaning to hurt feelings but boxing absolutely has BUMS.
Every career has them.
Every form of entertainment has them.
I love boxing but it's combatants are not above ridicule.

Every career has them.
Every form of entertainment has them.
Boxing has them.

But the top 50 in the world in any of the above aren't bums. They're quite elite in their field.

[TheProudLunatic]

Every career has them.
Every form of entertainment has them.
Boxing has them.

But the top 50 in the world in any of the above aren't bums. They're quite elite in their field.

Each div has it's own top 10-15 (11-15 are pushing the limits)
Beyond the 15 lies the field of bums.

Also, whenever a hype job is exposed, let's use Jeff Lacy as an example, that bum tag will apply.
I mean, lets be real. We all know a bum when we see them.

A bum can turn things around and a supposed top guy can either turn into a bum or put in a bum like performance.

[Elastic Recoilz]

The score was wide by a mile but the right guy won the fight.
If a person were to watch that fight without bias, you'd notice how ineffective GGG was.
His jab was a thing of beauty
Everything else was pure failure.
Did he even land a combo ?!?!?
A body blow ?!?!?

There were times when Nelo was on the ropes and made GGG look foolish.
Nelo showed him too much respect
Something he didn't do in the rematch.

Correction, GGG absolutely was effective in the sense that he imposed his style of fight onto Canelo who subsequently conceded his game plan and was forced to take the few openings available to him. Golovkin's back never touched the ropes once, Canelo's back touched the ropes numerous times as he was getting maneuvered around all 4 corners of the ring. The physical and mental pressure from GGG had Canelo effectively gassed as early as round 6. GGG'S jab was precise, stiff and powerful. He was hitting Canelo with jab, left hook and uppercut combo's whenever Canelo got too relaxed on the ropes. The uppercut was a successful shot used by GGG as it as in the rematch. All in all it was a comfortable victory 8 rounds to 4 for GGG - he imposed his will on the other fighter AND out landed him.

[TintaBoricua]

There are some pretty weird takes here, but I guess that’s the point of the thread topic.

My controversial takes:

*As much as I hate Skip Bayliss (former First Take host), I feel there is a sliver of truth to an opinion of his the day after Mayweather/Pacquiao. “Trust me, if you put that fight in a vacuum, where you don’t know the reputation of THIS fighter and you don’t know the reputation of THIS fighter, trust me, Pacquiao wins that fight. It’s just that the Mayweather mystique is so great.”

It legitimately got me thinking. Floyd landed clean punches and I have gone on record several times here saying that the Pacquiao win was Floyd’s most significant win, but it was NOT one of his more impressive performances. He was not as much as on the back foot as say, the Hatton fight, but he was fighting veeeeeeeerrrrrry cautiously, to the point where Floyd Sr. was expressing disappointment in the corner. All of this makes me think that a fighter’s track record or frequent modus operandi plays a part in how judges’ score fights (even though they shouldn’t). Which might be, by some estimations, explain why even though GGG landed several jabs and clean punches in the second Canelo fight, he might’ve been subconsciously penalized or graded on a curve because he wasn’t moving forward and pressuring more (because he had the label of a more offensive fighter than he was showing that night).

Second controversial opinion: bad boxing decisions has much more to do with incompetence that night than corruption. When you are watching a hard to score fight and aren’t allowed to talk with others/watch replays, or hear commentary, you yourself might end up with some iffy scorecards. The way judges counteract or cover their asses is by giving fighters sympathy rounds if there are any, so they’re not that way off if their fellow judges are in line with one or the other.

Third controversial opnion: I had Danny Jacobs winning against Canelo. I also had him winning versus GGG.

Fourth controversial opinion: Despite how Maidana was ramping up his offense and dry humping Broner towards the end, I thought the fight was competitive and Broner getting thrashed his overblown. He took punishment but he hung in there and the fight wasn’t that wide as some people perceive.

Fifth controversial opinion: Bradley definitely won more than 1 or 2 rounds against Pacquiao in that first fight. It wasn’t a whitewash. He lost, but he wasn’t swept.

Sixth controversial opinion (my late father used to have-NOT ME!!!!!): Floyd Mayweather Jr. at154 would’ve knocked out Tommy Hearns. He used to say Hearns was glass-chinned based on the Barkley fight. I’m like, “Dad, Hearns was fighting an offensive natural154 pounder. If Hearns was glass-chinned he would’ve faded halfway through the first Leonard fight or gotten stopped by Hagler in the first round. Stop it.

Anyway, that’s all for now. You guys are alright.

[Boxing 112]

Lomachenko is the most over rated boxer of this era. People will look at like i'm trying to claim he is no good, no, i think he is one of the top boxers and think he should fight Shakur or Tank. But the way people go on about him like he is some top 10 atg. He has an amateur record 396-1 which is always like a selling point to hype him up yet you'll struggle to name 100 of those opponents, and when it comes to pros he had 3 losses in his first 20 fights. His 2 biggest fights he lost, Haney and Teo. So he is not even best of his era. Now last year his manager said "Loma has no motivation to fight" then they claimed injury now they are back to he has no motivation and may not fight again.