Was Ryan Garcia robbed a win ?

[DeeMoney]

If that’s the case Wilder vs Fury 1 was actually a draw ?

Once again, I'm not agreeing with just compubox scoring as the criteria for scoring a fight. I was writing that even if you just look at the compubox numbers Rolly wins the fight with the KD being the difference.

That being written, yeah to Wilder Fury 1 actually being a draw (both in my opinion and with counting compubox). If I remember it correctly there were 6 rounds Fury clearly won and 3 rounds Wilder clearly won (two because of KDs), 3 rounds were close. If Wilder gets two of those rounds, which is what I had it and not that far fetched, then it becomes 113-113 with the two KDs.

One KD in a fight splits hairs on the cards, two becomes a big difference. Especially when they happen in different rounds (as a KD almost always secures the given round for the fighter that scored it). Wilder Fury 1 reminded every one of that...maybe some fighters need that to be reminded tot hem again so they will try to scored knockdowns and kos more often.

[Smash]

Once again, I'm not agreeing with just compubox scoring as the criteria for scoring a fight. I was writing that even if you just look at the compubox numbers Rolly wins the fight with the KD being the difference.

That being written, yeah to Wilder Fury 1 actually being a draw (both in my opinion and with counting compubox). If I remember it correctly there were 6 rounds Fury clearly won and 3 rounds Wilder clearly won (two because of KDs), 3 rounds were close. If Wilder gets two of those rounds, which is what I had it and not that far fetched, then it becomes 113-113 with the two KDs.

One KD in a fight splits hairs on the cards, two becomes a big difference. Especially when they happen in different rounds (as a KD almost always secures the given round for the fighter that scored it). Wilder Fury 1 reminded every one of that...maybe some fighters need that to be reminded tot hem again so they will try to scored knockdowns and kos more often.

yeah but didnt fury outland wilder in 9 rounds in that fight? the 2 rounds he got KD in being 2 of the 3 he didnt

[DeeMoney]

yeah but didnt fury outland wilder in 9 rounds in that fight? the 2 rounds he got KD in being 2 of the 3 he didnt

Yeah, but for this (compubox counting thing) I was ignoring any round where it was just within one punch (like I did with the Rolly Garcia fight), that being too slim of a margin.

Fury had a clear outland of Wilder in 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and 10 (Six rounds total)
Wilder had a clear outlanded Fury in 7, 9, and 12 (Three rounds total)

The other three were close, and if Wilder took two of those three (which is feasible) it comes up a draw.

Once again I am not saying this is how fights should be scored. Heck if I remember correctly, I think I gave Wilder rd 1 in my mind, but Fury two of the aforementioned close rounds; which still comes up 113-113. I am just writing that even on compubox Rolly scored the W, and Fury Wilder 1 was close.

[MarbleFallsMauler]

Ryan did use the jab nicely. But I do not think he won.

Garcia had a plan....until he got punched in the mouth. Yes, first round he was jabbing effectively but as soon as he got hit....he basically quit.

Even Jake Paul is more of a boxer than Garcia is. Ryan is an illusion of a boxer. A Hollywood version of someone who can take a dangerous situation and turn it into a victory.

[Smash]

The other three were close, and if Wilder took two of those three (which is feasible) it comes up a draw.

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feasible is one thing but i dont remember too many people thinking fury did not win that fight but i havnt watched it in ages so cant remember those 3 rounds u are talking about

[DeeMoney]

feasible is one thing but i dont remember too many people thinking fury did not win that fight but i havnt watched it in ages so cant remember those 3 rounds u are talking about

When I say three rounds were close, I mean in regards to the compubox numbers, they are the three rounds I didn't mention (1, 5, 8) Just in measuring the compubox way....which once again I am not claiming to be accurate

[famicommander]

You don't just count up landed punches.

Knockdowns/point deductions
Clean, effective punching
Effective aggression
Ring generalship
Defense

Those are your scoring criteria.

[SUBZER0ED]

The kid has no heart. He's encouraged when he's winning and discouraged when he's losing. He was already doubting himself when he realized that Romero was bigger than him. Then when Rolly dropped him, he went into a shell. Now granted, Rolly was tentative too, but he did enough to win.

[billeau2]

Garcia had a plan....until he got punched in the mouth. Yes, first round he was jabbing effectively but as soon as he got hit....he basically quit.

Even Jake Paul is more of a boxer than Garcia is. Ryan is an illusion of a boxer. A Hollywood version of someone who can take a dangerous situation and turn it into a victory.

These guys, all of them... are basically kids. I am talking about Haney, Ryan, Tank, Garcia, Rolly... They are growing up. At the highest level of any sport, any military special ops, etc people get weeded out. It sounds horrible to say it that way, but, there are very few who just are the whole package. I think Ryan can still be a decent fighter. He has to plaster those cracks.I give him a lot more than Haney who is under illusions perpetuated by his dad. Ryan did jab well and I still cannot figure out why he couldn't throw his hook! I cannot believe Rolly checked it... and I have given Rolly all the credit in the world, he did a fantastic job.