Comments Thread For: Canelo Alvarez once again undisputed after defeating mobile William Scull

[Damn Wicked]

Which was worse ? Haney Ramirez or Canelo Scull ? Like asking would you rather be shot or stabbed ?

Haney did a better job of not getting hit but Jose Ramirez is slower than molasses, so Haney didn't have to run quite as far and fast as Scull had to.

[brankobugarski]

Some time ago I promised to myself not to watch another Canelo fight. This weekend I added Devin Haney to that list. Life is good

[1nonlymre]

Canelo has had to change up his attack with his advancing age. This is true, but that said, I saw a Canelo who effectively cut off the ring and forced Scull to reset constantly. Now, cutting off the ring does not result in punches landed all the time. WHY? Because the fighter being cut off has options in response: either stand and fight your way out, or retreat and reset. Scull elected the latter for just about the entire fight. Yes, he landed scoring shots against Canelo, but they were completely ineffective. Canelo was the entire ring general, forcing Scull to constantly move. Canelo landed the more telling shots (to the body).

And look, I'm not a fanboy for Canelo, but I do detest negative fighters. And that is what the definition of a pure boxer has morphed into in these past 5 - 10 years. A pure boxer is now accepted as a fighter who fight negatively.

I know, I know...it's "Hit and not get hit." But the entire thing is "Hit and not get hit, while remaining within range to do it again."
A person who fight negatively will hit, move to avoid being hit, but have to then reset in order to hit again (because they are out of range). This is not what a pure boxer does by previous definition.

If this weekend has shown us anything it is that the current "Pure Boxer" is boring and really ineffective. Haney / Ramirez was almost as bad, but unfortunately, Ramirez was not able to cut off the ring. Otherwise, it would have looked exactly like tonight's fight.

I'll be glad when this sugarfooting style goes out of fashion. A pure boxer, like Pernell Whittaker, would never run so much. Bring back those types of boxers and that version of a pure boxer, and I can guarantee you'll have more appreciation for what really is the sweet science.

[damned1974]

Canelo has had to change up his attack with his advancing age. This is true, but that said, I saw a Canelo who effectively cut off the ring and forced Scull to reset constantly. Now, cutting off the ring does not result in punches landed all the time. WHY? Because the fighter being cut off has options in response: either stand and fight your way out, or retreat and reset. Scull elected the latter for just about the entire fight. Yes, he landed scoring shots against Canelo, but they were completely ineffective. Canelo was the entire ring general, forcing Scull to constantly move. Canelo landed the more telling shots (to the body).

And look, I'm not a fanboy for Canelo, but I do detest negative fighters. And that is what the definition of a pure boxer has morphed into in these past 5 - 10 years. A pure boxer is now accepted as a fighter who fight negatively.

I know, I know...it's "Hit and not get hit." But the entire thing is "Hit and not get hit, while remaining within range to do it again."
A person who fight negatively will hit, move to avoid being hit, but have to then reset in order to hit again (because they are out of range). This is not what a pure boxer does by previous definition.

If this weekend has shown us anything it is that the current "Pure Boxer" is boring and really ineffective. Haney / Ramirez was almost as bad, but unfortunately, Ramirez was not able to cut off the ring. Otherwise, it would have looked exactly like tonight's fight.

I'll be glad when this sugarfooting style goes out of fashion. A pure boxer, like Pernell Whittaker, would never run so much. Bring back those types of boxers and that version of a pure boxer, and I can guarantee you'll have more appreciation for what really is the sweet science.

Summed it up perfectly. Scull doesn't deserve his paycheck.Boxing is hit and not get hit, stick and move and make them miss and make them pay....all those coin phrase descriptions of boxing and Scull could not complete any of them. You do not need to run in order to do any of those phrases either.

[Teetotaler23]

Scull should of won!! Dat wuz boxing !!

[JeBron Lamez]

In Guadalajara the ring would have been full of projectiles & pigs' blood, the arena a cacophony of boos ijs

[damned1974]

Haney did a better job of not getting hit but Jose Ramirez is slower than molasses, so Haney didn't have to run quite as far and fast as Scull had to.

I'm almost tempted to give Haney the benefit of the doubt seeing as he may have felt the "win by any means" mentality to get the Ryan rematch....just wish Ryan tried as well. I don't want to see Haney or Garcia rematch atm let alone them fight in the future. On TV people expect high calibre fighters put it all on the line if need be...at least Eubank-Benn did this and they are not what I consider high calibre.

[DeeMoney]

Canelo has had to change up his attack with his advancing age. This is true, but that said, I saw a Canelo who effectively cut off the ring and forced Scull to reset constantly. Now, cutting off the ring does not result in punches landed all the time. WHY? Because the fighter being cut off has options in response: either stand and fight your way out, or retreat and reset. Scull elected the latter for just about the entire fight. Yes, he landed scoring shots against Canelo, but they were completely ineffective. Canelo was the entire ring general, forcing Scull to constantly move. Canelo landed the more telling shots (to the body).

And look, I'm not a fanboy for Canelo, but I do detest negative fighters. And that is what the definition of a pure boxer has morphed into in these past 5 - 10 years. A pure boxer is now accepted as a fighter who fight negatively.

I know, I know...it's "Hit and not get hit." But the entire thing is "Hit and not get hit, while remaining within range to do it again."
A person who fight negatively will hit, move to avoid being hit, but have to then reset in order to hit again (because they are out of range). This is not what a pure boxer does by previous definition.

If this weekend has shown us anything it is that the current "Pure Boxer" is boring and really ineffective. Haney / Ramirez was almost as bad, but unfortunately, Ramirez was not able to cut off the ring. Otherwise, it would have looked exactly like tonight's fight.

I'll be glad when this sugarfooting style goes out of fashion. A pure boxer, like Pernell Whittaker, would never run so much. Bring back those types of boxers and that version of a pure boxer, and I can guarantee you'll have more appreciation for what really is the sweet science.

Agree wholeheartedly. Its the devolution brought on by a Nash equilibrium in boxing. Both fighters now know not getting hit is the best way to win (or at least they feel it is). So they try like hell not to get hit.

As an aside, I find it interesting when people bring up 'Canelo's advancing age', as he is not quite yet as old as all the hall of famers he beat in the past.

[damned1974]

In Guadalajara the ring would have been full of projectiles & pigs' blood, the arena a cacophony of boos ijs

That's because there would be people in attendance. lol Saudi shows really lack tbh, but as long as Turki is putting up the money then we get to see fights.

[1nonlymre]

Scull should of won!! Dat wuz boxing !!

No, that was surviving. Real boxing is hitting your opponent without getting hit, while maintaining space to do it again. Scull fought negatively, electing to evade 99% of the time and putting himself out of his own range. And that's with him having the reach advantage over Canelo. Overall, he was ineffective and negative (hardly traits of what a true pure boxer should be).