Comments Thread For: Canelo Alvarez once again undisputed after defeating mobile William Scull

[daggum]

scull was a bum. a complete waste of time

[Elastic Recoilz]

Canelo's limitations on view for the world to see again! The whole of his career the agenda that he is some sort of ultimate fighter has been pushed onto fans. The fact is Canelo couldn't put a dent in Scull. Even Shishkin nearly got Scull out of there when they fought - Canelo didn't come remotely close

[JeBron Lamez]

I assume you’re talking about Chavez Sr and not Jr. Julio actually had a very similar fight against a contender called Lonnie Smith during his reign at 140. Like Scull, Smith opted to fight very negatively and with lots of movement, and just like Canelo, a similarly aged Chavez struggled to land anything all that significant against a similar type of fighter.
I thought Canelo did a very nice job of varying his jab in the early rounds against Berlanga but then he seemed to step off the gas and was content to just land his left hook for the most part. But his legs aren’t all there anymore. Years of roadwork and gruelling training have wrecked his knees imo.

Right!!!!

Glad we're speaking the same language... but the age being a factor in worsening performances doesn't mean we have to grade those performances on a curve ijs.

[Wacked_Out]

If a fighter wants to fight and the opponent would rather run around, it isn't on the guy who wants to engage to catch him. (cut off the ring). I dont think anyone could even catch ME if I just wanted to run around the ring. I'd look like Curly but you couldn't cut off the ring on me. (straight lines? maybe works on a slippery fighter, not a runner)
Why do so many think the engager loses if they cant catch the runner. That's bizzare to me. A boxer who wont engage is losing to the stalker in my opinion.

It's not why I thought Canel looked old though. He looked not as muscular and a bit flabby to me. Crawford will defeat him.

[BlackRobb]

rofl Erislandy blew it with too much running between all those beautiful straight shots he caught Alvarez with

Paulie who is a believer in slique style even said Erislandy was running between punching

Erislandy must have known he had to go the extra mile. You're a random Cuban dude 7 rounds and they aren't going to give you a decision over cash cow

Trout didn't run. Trout landed well over 200 punches on prime Canelo, controlled most rounds, had only one really bad round.

[JeBron Lamez]

If a fighter wants to fight and the opponent would rather run around, it isn't on the guy who wants to engage to catch him. (cut off the ring).

This has all been discussed in detail above/on the previous pages

Why do so many think the engager loses if they cant catch the runner

Literally no-one thinks that, including tonight's judges.

"The engager" won, in a (& here's the rub) better-than-the-runner but still objectively poor performance.

[JLC]

As an aside, I find it interesting when people bring up 'Canelo's advancing age', as he is not quite yet as old as all the hall of famers he beat in the past.

Very true. Very very true.

[JeBron Lamez]

It would work on me. I'd be there a day early.

Aw damn P, never had you down as the teacher's pet


jk JK J K hehe

[Wacked_Out]

This has all been discussed in detail above/on the previous pages



Literally no-one thinks that, including tonight's judges.

"The engager" won, in a (& here's the rub) better-than-the-runner but still objectively poor performance.

"This has all been discussed in detail above/on the previous pages"

And discussed again by me today above/on.


Literally no-one thinks that, including tonight's judges.

Literally lots of comments criticizing fighters for not being able to cut off the ring against these types.


"The engager" won, in a (& here's the rub) better-than-the-runner but still objectively poor performance.

Yes.

[Malvado]

I assume you’re talking about Chavez Sr and not Jr. Julio actually had a very similar fight against a contender called Lonnie Smith during his reign at 140. Like Scull, Smith opted to fight very negatively and with lots of movement, and just like Canelo, a similarly aged Chavez struggled to land anything all that significant against a similar type of fighter.
I thought Canelo did a very nice job of varying his jab in the early rounds against Berlanga but then he seemed to step off the gas and was content to just land his left hook for the most part. But his legs aren’t all there anymore. Years of roadwork and gruelling training have wrecked his knees imo.

Not sure that's similiar of a performance, Smith made a declaration that he would knockout Chavez and instead wasn't willing to engage like Scull was.

However Julio was active, had caught and wobbled Lonnie quite often despite not managing to get the finish after 3-5 rounds, to the extent that it frustrated Smith who was too worn down at the end of the fight and tried to knee Chavez in the groin during a clinch.

To be fair, Chavez wasn't close as declined as Canelo is right now, his gas tank didn't fade in championship rounds and his reflexes haven't faded enough to say he completely relied on his static high guard. The upcoming fights with Camacho and Haugen show that he could still fight at the top level. Duplessis (36-1, 5th WBC ranked) also had similiar style two fights prior fighting Smith.