Comments Thread For: Canelo Alvarez once again undisputed after defeating mobile William Scull

[JeBron Lamez]

While I certainly appreciate reading the debate in this thread regarding cutting off the ring...

...that's not the only way to catch a rabbit.

You don't chase, you build your control.

Canelo used to set traps very effectively, does getting older drain the mind of the ability to think through not just a vague strategy but appropriate tactics with which to achieve it?

One can absolutely walk a runner down in straight lines; slowly, gradually & sneakily with the back foot settings (a la Sean Strickland in MMA or like Foreman II used to), using punch angles that restrict him by being where he's going to be (e.g. like Canelo did to Khan).

When was the last time Alvarez tripled up or varied the level of the jab on the way in...??? Used the waist & knees in any way whatsoever....????

We out here acting like a boxer (in this instance a knockout artist at that!) taking the risk of expending energy in order to force the fight against an opponent who is reluctant/unwilling to engage is a criminal expectation or suttn, like WT actual F smh looooooooooool.

We must not make excuses for the poor performances of supposed champions, regardless of what the opponent does (outside of extreme silly shït).

You think Chavez ain't catching this guy? Baby Beterbiev? FOHeeeeeeere

[Dorrian_Grey]

While I certainly appreciate reading the debate in this thread regarding cutting off the ring...

...that's not the only way to catch a rabbit.

You don't chase, you build your control.

Canelo used to set traps very effectively, does getting older drain the mind of the ability to think through not just a vague strategy but appropriate tactics with which to achieve it?

One can absolutely walk a runner down in straight lines; slowly, gradually & sneakily with the back foot settings (a la Sean Strickland in MMA or like Foreman II used to), using punch angles that restrict him by being where he's going to be (e.g. like Canelo did to Khan).

When was the last time Alvarez tripled up or varied the level of the jab on the way in...??? Used the waist & knees in any way whatsoever....????

We out here acting like a boxer (in this instance a knockout artist at that!) taking the risk of expending energy in order to force the fight against an opponent who is reluctant/unwilling to engage is a criminal expectation or suttn, like WT actual F smh looooooooooool.

We must not make excuses for the poor performances of supposed champions, regardless of what the opponent does (outside of extreme silly shït).

You think Chavez ain't catching this guy? Baby Beterbiev? FOHeeeeeeere

I assume you’re talking about Chavez Sr and not Jr. Julio actually had a very similar fight against a contender called Lonnie Smith during his reign at 140. Like Scull, Smith opted to fight very negatively and with lots of movement, and just like Canelo, a similarly aged Chavez struggled to land anything all that significant against a similar type of fighter.
I thought Canelo did a very nice job of varying his jab in the early rounds against Berlanga but then he seemed to step off the gas and was content to just land his left hook for the most part. But his legs aren’t all there anymore. Years of roadwork and gruelling training have wrecked his knees imo.

[daggum]

scull was a bum. a complete waste of time

[Elastic Recoilz]

Canelo's limitations on view for the world to see again! The whole of his career the agenda that he is some sort of ultimate fighter has been pushed onto fans. The fact is Canelo couldn't put a dent in Scull. Even Shishkin nearly got Scull out of there when they fought - Canelo didn't come remotely close

[JeBron Lamez]

I assume you’re talking about Chavez Sr and not Jr. Julio actually had a very similar fight against a contender called Lonnie Smith during his reign at 140. Like Scull, Smith opted to fight very negatively and with lots of movement, and just like Canelo, a similarly aged Chavez struggled to land anything all that significant against a similar type of fighter.
I thought Canelo did a very nice job of varying his jab in the early rounds against Berlanga but then he seemed to step off the gas and was content to just land his left hook for the most part. But his legs aren’t all there anymore. Years of roadwork and gruelling training have wrecked his knees imo.

Right!!!!

Glad we're speaking the same language... but the age being a factor in worsening performances doesn't mean we have to grade those performances on a curve ijs.

[Wacked_Out]

If a fighter wants to fight and the opponent would rather run around, it isn't on the guy who wants to engage to catch him. (cut off the ring). I dont think anyone could even catch ME if I just wanted to run around the ring. I'd look like Curly but you couldn't cut off the ring on me. (straight lines? maybe works on a slippery fighter, not a runner)
Why do so many think the engager loses if they cant catch the runner. That's bizzare to me. A boxer who wont engage is losing to the stalker in my opinion.

It's not why I thought Canel looked old though. He looked not as muscular and a bit flabby to me. Crawford will defeat him.

[BlackRobb]

rofl Erislandy blew it with too much running between all those beautiful straight shots he caught Alvarez with

Paulie who is a believer in slique style even said Erislandy was running between punching

Erislandy must have known he had to go the extra mile. You're a random Cuban dude 7 rounds and they aren't going to give you a decision over cash cow

Trout didn't run. Trout landed well over 200 punches on prime Canelo, controlled most rounds, had only one really bad round.

[JeBron Lamez]

If a fighter wants to fight and the opponent would rather run around, it isn't on the guy who wants to engage to catch him. (cut off the ring).

This has all been discussed in detail above/on the previous pages

Why do so many think the engager loses if they cant catch the runner

Literally no-one thinks that, including tonight's judges.

"The engager" won, in a (& here's the rub) better-than-the-runner but still objectively poor performance.

[JLC]

As an aside, I find it interesting when people bring up 'Canelo's advancing age', as he is not quite yet as old as all the hall of famers he beat in the past.

Very true. Very very true.

[JeBron Lamez]

It would work on me. I'd be there a day early.

Aw damn P, never had you down as the teacher's pet


jk JK J K hehe