Comments Thread For: Dmitry Bivol made shrewd business move by flirting with Benavidez, boosting Saudi purse for Beterbiev trilogy

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

im not going to guess but i know that bud did not fight mad for 2 mil on a turki card in cali, thats delusional stuff imo

His guaranteed purse for that fight was $2.7 million according to The California State Athletic's Commission and Public Records. Can you prove that $2.7 million wasn't his guaranteed purse? What exactly can you prove Smash? No "speculations" no "he said, she said". What can you prove that differs from what The California State Athletic's Commission reported?

[Smash]

His guaranteed purse for that fight was $2.7 million according to The California State Athletic's Commission and Public Records. Can you prove that $2.7 million wasn't his guaranteed purse? What exactly can you prove Smash? No "speculations" no "he said, she said". What can you prove that differs from what The California State Athletic's Commission reported?

anyone in boxing knows that the guaranteed purse often does not mean the final purse especially for big names like bud crawford

[jackblack008]

Why dont some people understand that Bivol is not ducking by fighting a more dangerous fighter in Betebiev

[crimsonfalcon07]

crimson, I'm not taking Sulaiman's word as gospel. I'm willing to believe Bivol, anyone in his camp or Turki's word over Sulaiman's. Can you show me a quote from any of them refuting Sulaiman's claim about the $2.7 million. I'm literally telling you that I don't want to believe Sulaiman, I'd rather believe Turki or Bivol's team. Please post anything from Bivol's team or Turki refuting Sulaiman's claim.

From what I've read, the figure for the first fight was not $10 million, but $2 million. Go and re check the amount for the first fight and you'll see that it wasn't $10 million..

Did you not see the figures from The California State Athletic's Commission regarding what Turki paid the fighters for that LA fight card??? I've posted them at least 2 or 3 times. The first time I posted the figures was a couple of weeks after the LA fight, back in August of last year and the most recent time a couple of weeks back...

The Cali figures are for Bud and are in line with reports about what it was supposed to be, and, moreover, made clear that was just the disclosed purse amount, not the total amount made for Bud. It's the same number that was reported from unnamed sources by Boxing Kingdom for Bud prior to the fight as well.

You didn't answer any of the many questions raised. I went back and checked and found pretty much nothing saying that 2 million figure, while multiple articles reported 10 million apiece for the first fight. Additionally, literally every article prior to the second fight, or even after it but prior to the Sulaiman interview, listed a 10 million figure for each fighter. There aren't any that reported anywhere close to what Sulaiman claimed prior to the Sulaiman interview.

So here's some questions you need to answer.

1. Do you have any reason to disbelieve the disclosed figures for each fighter's prior fights, eg, Bivol 5 million v Canelo, 2.5 million v Zurdo, 1.9 million v Arthur.

2. Does it make sense to you for the undisputed fight to be only 200K more than his mandatory defenses, and less than he would have made rematching Canelo on the same terms?

3. Where did the 10 million figure come from? Have you noticed that nobody has disputed that figure either, aside from Sulaiman? What makes that less believable, considering that the same source that reported 2.5 million for the Bud fight also reported 10 million for the Bivol v Beterbiev fights.

4. If there really was an 8 million offer, and Bivol really made in the 2 million range for the Beterbiev fights, why did Benavidez' own promoter say that the fight wouldn't happen because "the guy with the money doesn't want the fight" and make zero mention of the supposed offer that he himself is supposed to have sent, while also categorically ruling out Benavidez fighting in Saudi at all? That's literally from the horse's mouth, on video, and I posted it earlier today and you can watch and see yourself.

None of the details match up. You go back yourself and look. Find any sources at all for a purse in the 2 million range that aren't dated after the Sulaiman lies. I did my due diligence and checked. Your turn.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

anyone in boxing knows that the guaranteed purse often does not mean the final purse especially for big names like bud crawford

Smash, are you arguing that Bud's guaranteed purse to fight Madrimov wasn't $2.7 million and that The California State Athletic's Commission is lying? If so, is the only proof you have to substantiate your argument, a mere "anyone in boxing knows"?

What actual proof do you have to support your argument?

[Smash]

His guaranteed purse for that fight was $2.7 million according to The California State Athletic's Commission and Public Records. Can you prove that $2.7 million wasn't his guaranteed purse? What exactly can you prove Smash? No "speculations" no "he said, she said". What can you prove that differs from what The California State Athletic's Commission reported?

Lets see if i can imbed a tweet i think ive failed all other times ive tried...........

didnt work!!!

anyway this is what fat dan had to say on the matter

Per CSAC, official contract purses for #CrawfordMadrimov card (and, yes, many have much higher guarantees than what the contract says): Terence Crawford $2.5M, Israil Madrimov $750k; Isaac Cruz $1.5M, Jose Valenzuela $500k; Andy Ruiz $900k, Jarrell Miller $450k

https://x.com/DanRafael1/status/1820528810959466533

[Goatintheboat]

so now beter is hopeless and benny would then beat him easy?

No .But it's a different opponent. Lets see that rather than the same fight again. Beterbiev can go fight Morrell

[Smash]

No .But it's a different opponent. Lets see that rather than the same fight again. Beterbiev can go fight Morrell

why would beter do that? that would be a very odd choice of opponent for him now

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

The Cali figures are for Bud and are in line with reports about what it was supposed to be, and, moreover, made clear that was just the disclosed purse amount, not the total amount made for Bud. It's the same number that was reported from unnamed sources by Boxing Kingdom for Bud prior to the fight as well.

You didn't answer any of the many questions raised. I went back and checked and found pretty much nothing saying that 2 million figure, while multiple articles reported 10 million apiece for the first fight. Additionally, literally every article prior to the second fight, or even after it but prior to the Sulaiman interview, listed a 10 million figure for each fighter. There aren't any that reported anywhere close to what Sulaiman claimed prior to the Sulaiman interview.

So here's some questions you need to answer.

1. Do you have any reason to disbelieve the disclosed figures for each fighter's prior fights, eg, Bivol 5 million v Canelo, 2.5 million v Zurdo, 1.9 million v Arthur.

2. Does it make sense to you for the undisputed fight to be only 200K more than his mandatory defenses, and less than he would have made rematching Canelo on the same terms?

3. Where did the 10 million figure come from? Have you noticed that nobody has disputed that figure either, aside from Sulaiman? What makes that less believable, considering that the same source that reported 2.5 million for the Bud fight also reported 10 million for the Bivol v Beterbiev fights.

4. If there really was an 8 million offer, and Bivol really made in the 2 million range for the Beterbiev fights, why did Benavidez' own promoter say that the fight wouldn't happen because "the guy with the money doesn't want the fight" and make zero mention of the supposed offer that he himself is supposed to have sent, while also categorically ruling out Benavidez fighting in Saudi at all? That's literally from the horse's mouth, on video, and I posted it earlier today and you can watch and see yourself.

None of the details match up. You go back yourself and look. Find any sources at all for a purse in the 2 million range that aren't dated after the Sulaiman lies. I did my due diligence and checked. Your turn.

1. As you stated, Bivol made $5 million for his fight against Canelo. Everybody makes bank fighting Canelo, because Canelo's fights sell. I was under the impression that Bivol made $2 million for the first Beterbiev fight, you are stating that he was only paid $1.9 million, no argument from me as I originally stated that I didn't believe he made $10 million for the first fight.

2. Yes it does make sense that Bivol would make less for an undisputed fight against Madrimov than a fight against Canelo, fighting Canelo gets people paid. Fighting Beterbiev only guaranteed fighting for titles. If fighting for titles is worth so much money, why in the heck did Tyson and Jake make way more millions fighting for no titles than Bivol-Beterbiev fighting for all the titles? It isn't the titles that make you the big money, it's the huge fan base and PPV buys that gets you the big bucks. It's that simple man....

3. Sulaiman was never dis*****g a $10 million figure. He was simply asked a question by a boxing fan on a podcast and he let it be known how much Bivol made for the rematch. The source for the $2.5 guarantee for Bud against Madrimov is from The California State Athletic's Commission. TCSAC never once made a statement on how much Bivol and Beterbiev made for their rematch, the rematch was held in SA not California. The source is TCSAC not a sports news site..

4. I never heard team Benavidez confirm that an 8 million dollar offer was made to Bivol, so I won't argue that..

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Lets see if i can imbed a tweet i think ive failed all other times ive tried...........

didnt work!!!

anyway this is what fat dan had to say on the matter

Per CSAC, official contract purses for #CrawfordMadrimov card (and, yes, many have much higher guarantees than what the contract says): Terence Crawford $2.5M, Israil Madrimov $750k; Isaac Cruz $1.5M, Jose Valenzuela $500k; Andy Ruiz $900k, Jarrell Miller $450k

https://x.com/DanRafael1/status/1820528810959466533

Fat Dan is just posting what the CSAC confirmed while adding "yes, many have much higher guarantees than what the contract claims". He didn't post anything confirming what he adds. The CSAC is an actual state agency that is governed by the state that adheres to state laws. I trust what the CSAC reports over Fat Dan's opinions any day of the week...