Cotto was not good at 154

[billeau2]

the known fighters were: trout, floyd, canelo. he lost them all. he also lost to sadam ali.

then how can you say he was good? lol

he spent about 7 years at 154, a small part of his career?

im not disparaging him at all. someone made a comment about cotto being a great win at 154. it wasnt. i laid out my reasons. what you are doing is called fanboying. thats when you defend anything uncritically. you didnt even bother to list who he beat instead saying who cares.

the ring is not an alphabet soup belt. do you even understand the terms you use?

Floyd Trout and Canelo are all excellent fighters, with Canelo and Floyd being ATG level... That is how I can say he is so good. It is small when you look at his entire body of work carefully. You took a small slice of the man's career, uncritically evaluated whom he fought.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Yes, Canelo said Cotto was tougher than Floyd but that was simply because it took him a long time to accept the Mayweather defeat. He personally blamed the weight and inexperience at the the top level for losing that fight. It wasn't until years later that he admitted that he felt great in the Mayweather fight and it was him that actually offered the 152 weight limit. But all that doesn't change the fact that he had a rough night with Cotto. In fact Mayweather and Canelo's faces were busted up after fighting Cotto.

As for the other bolded part, there was never a Mayweather/Cotto fight on the table back in their 140/147 days. And in my opinion Cotto was deathly afraid of Mayweather at 140 after witnessing what he did to Gatti first hand up close and personal.

tough is not the same as difficult... cotto is a tougher fight for canelo.. whereas for floyd, it was a difficult fight for canelo but it was not his toughest fight. it's like doing construction work 8 hours in the hot sun is tough work as compared to sitting in the office, managing 100 employees could be challenging but it's not tough work.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't know how good he was but one thing I do know for certain is you consider both Floyd's and Canelo's win over him as a great, top tier, elite wins because he ranked #1 vs both.

[lilacp]

Cotto may have been a bit shopworn against Mayweather, but he brought his A game that night. However, 154 wasn't ideal for Cotto, and he didn't do much in that weight class. I would never rank him in the ATG top ten in junior middleweight, probably somewhere in the mid tens.

[The Big Dunn]

if you look at cotto's record at 154 he was 5-4 if you count the canelo fight which was at 155. he beat 1 top 10 ring ranked opponent which was yuri foreman ranked #6. for comparison he was 5-0 against top 10 guys at 140 and 5-2 at 147.

i have seen some people list a 154 pound cotto as some kind of top level win but either the weight didn't suit him or boxing took its toll on him by they time he fought there cause he was not very good and we have a large sample size of fights to show that. this wasnt a 1 off move up in weight, take a loss and then go back down to a normal weight. this was a guy that spent about 7 years there and couldnt get it done so not sure how can you say beating him there is any type of great win.

i think this is a clear example of name value and not really looking at the facts...jack. oh but he did beat some crippled guy named sergio martinez at 160 if you think that amounts to a hill of beans...

Just pretend he fought GGG. Then you’d judge him on his #1 ranking. Floyd beat him at 154, Manny didn’t, so suddenly rankings don’t matter

Cotto was worse at 146 than he was at 154.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd boys like to hear themselves say Floyd beat Cotto at 154 no catchweight to counter Manny beating the brakes off him in his prime at welterweight.

You mean at 146.

[djtmal]

You mean at 146.

Thats welterweight thats what i said and meant

[IronDanHamza]

You mean at 146.

145 the Cotto fight was.

[IceTrayDaGang]

You mean at 146.

that was against clottey, in which cotto won. guess he wasnt drained then, only when he loss to pacman, he was drained.

[Mushashi]

He was getting too big for 147 but his frame was too small for 154 and 160

His power wasn't as heavy and didn't have the skills to overcome the deficit to be truly elite at those weight divisions

His best wins were against crippled fighters or damage goods (Yuri Foreman, Mayorga, Margarito, Martinez) he was very fortunate to win those titles

Perhaps its good karma for the beating he got from Marg