Comments Thread For: Ramon Cardenas won?t be overawed by the brilliant Naoya Inoue

[famicommander]

Cue all the people talking about how Inoue is fighting bums when he's already beaten the #1 Fulton, #2 Tapales, #4 Nery, #5 Goodman pulled out of the fight 3 times, #6 Picasso pulled out since his daddy said he wasn't ready, he crushed #7 Doheny, so we're on to #8 Cardenas. #3 MJ is coming up in September, because I guess Top Rank doesn't think a former unified champ is a good enough opponent for US fans. Seriously though, that's a thoroughly cleaned division.

The Ring rankings for 122 are bad anyway. TBRB is much better:
C. Inoue
1. Akhmadaliev
2. Tapales
3. Goodman
4. Nery
5. Cardenas
6. Casimero
7. Pierce
8. Picasso
9. Masoud
10. Shinomachi

Cardenas is the best fight that can be made considering he's already got Akhmadaliev scheduled, he already stopped Tapales and Nery, and Goodman pulled out 3 times.

No way Doheny and Picasso should be ahead of Cardenas.

[crimsonfalcon07]

The Ring rankings for 122 are bad anyway. TBRB is much better:
C. Inoue
1. Akhmadaliev
2. Tapales
3. Goodman
4. Nery
5. Cardenas
6. Casimero
7. Pierce
8. Picasso
9. Masoud
10. Shinomachi

Cardenas is the best fight that can be made considering he's already got Akhmadaliev scheduled, he already stopped Tapales and Nery, and Goodman pulled out 3 times.

No way Doheny and Picasso should be ahead of Cardenas.

I try to go by rankings from Ring, TBRB, etc at or before the time of fight. And we're on the same page anyways.

I will say that I do not think anything of Casimero. He's got some power, but the skill level is just so low, it baffles me that he's got fans still, let alone getting ranked where he is. Especially with the level of his recent competition. Like the same people that claim Inoue is ducking him to fight bums give him a pass for fighting guys that are ranked like 97th.

[letsbox10]

Every fighter disrepects Inoue. While Inoue is humble and respectful. Outside the ring you Cardenas can talk all the BS you want. But inside the ring it's Inoue who will knock you the F out.

[SteveM]

In which one if these fights was Inoue the underdog? Which one was a challenge for him and not the other guy? What are the odds on Cardoner? If he is that good why is he spinning his wheels?

Did you say the same about Hagler? I think he was only the underdog vs SRL.
Hes now in his 4th weight class. When he moved to 122 he went straight at the number one fighter - Fulton.
Before he fought Fulton a/ many expected him to lose b/ the odds were close c/ he was criticised for never having fought the black urban style.
Crawford in his 4th weight class struggled with Madrimov.
People like you always looking to pull a top fighter down, see him matched super tough so he loses. Are you that vocal with Tank? Or Ennis?
Maybe he's favourite all the time because he's that good. Just like Hagler was always favourite or Canelo for that matter.
Lastly, it's always wise to let a fighters career play out before criticising their legacy.

[Grandma Lover]

Cue all the people talking about how Inoue is fighting bums when he's already beaten the #1 Fulton, #2 Tapales, #4 Nery, #5 Goodman pulled out of the fight 3 times, #6 Picasso pulled out since his daddy said he wasn't ready, he crushed #7 Doheny, so we're on to #8 Cardenas. #3 MJ is coming up in September, because I guess Top Rank doesn't think a former unified champ is a good enough opponent for US fans. Seriously though, that's a thoroughly cleaned division.

ShoulderRoll cause he's a dumbass

[ShoulderRoll]

Inoue still hasn’t fought Akhmadaliev, has he? But he has all the time in the world for the TJ Doheny types.

To be fair I don’t blame him necessarily, I blame his promoter Top Rank.

[Elheath]

Inoue still hasn’t fought Akhmadaliev, has he? But he has all the time in the world for the TJ Doheny types.

To be fair I don’t blame him necessarily, I blame his promoter Top Rank.

At least it seems like Inoue-MJ is finalized for 9/14 in a new Arena in Japan according to MJ's manager (not Eddie) so thats good. He's also having a stay busy in May somewhere else with Matchroom it seems.

Not sure why Top Rank absolutely refuses to give better opponents to Inoue but I'm not the matchmaker.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Inoue still hasn’t fought Akhmadaliev, has he? But he has all the time in the world for the TJ Doheny types.

To be fair I don’t blame him necessarily, I blame his promoter Top Rank.

Agreed. The fights that Top Rank seems to insist on are the weakest ones in his resume. Pretty sure Arum was responsible for TJ Doheny, and obviously was pushing for Picasso over MJ. And IBF mandatory Dasmarinas, and Moloney were Top Rank promotions. Not sure about Aran Dipaen, which was a voluntary drawn from the IBF rankings, which are always garbage, but that was also after Inoue signed the co-promotional with Top Rank.

It's also worth noting that the original plans for Inoue v MJ were to do it in Saudi, but MJ's promoter seems to want it in Japan. The people who ask why Inoue always fights in Japan should ask why his opponents always insist on fighting him in Japan...

[ShoulderRoll]

At least it seems like Inoue-MJ is finalized for 9/14 in a new Arena in Japan according to MJ's manager (not Eddie) so thats good. He's also having a stay busy in May somewhere else with Matchroom it seems.

Not sure why Top Rank absolutely refuses to give better opponents to Inoue but I'm not the matchmaker.

Agreed. The fights that Top Rank seems to insist on are the weakest ones in his resume. Pretty sure Arum was responsible for TJ Doheny, and obviously was pushing for Picasso over MJ. And IBF mandatory Dasmarinas, and Moloney were Top Rank promotions. Not sure about Aran Dipaen, which was a voluntary drawn from the IBF rankings, which are always garbage, but that was also after Inoue signed the co-promotional with Top Rank.

It's also worth noting that the original plans for Inoue v MJ were to do it in Saudi, but MJ's promoter seems to want it in Japan. The people who ask why Inoue always fights in Japan should ask why his opponents always insist on fighting him in Japan...

It’s the Top Rank Protection Program, fellas.

[crimsonfalcon07]

It’s the Top Rank Protection Program, fellas.

Seems to be pretty common practice in the big Western promotions. Top Rank is bad, PBC is even worse, and then you've got Rematchroom, which might make the occasional even fight, but with rematch clauses to tie everything up in BS.