Comments Thread For: Ramon Cardenas won?t be overawed by the brilliant Naoya Inoue

[BoxingUpdates]

Ramon Cardenas didn't expect he'd get an opportunity to face Naoya Inoue so soon, but he promises to make the most of his shot.
[Click Here To Read More]

[crimsonfalcon07]

Cue all the people talking about how Inoue is fighting bums when he's already beaten the #1 Fulton, #2 Tapales, #4 Nery, #5 Goodman pulled out of the fight 3 times, #6 Picasso pulled out since his daddy said he wasn't ready, he crushed #7 Doheny, so we're on to #8 Cardenas. #3 MJ is coming up in September, because I guess Top Rank doesn't think a former unified champ is a good enough opponent for US fans. Seriously though, that's a thoroughly cleaned division.

[JOITATS]

with a 91+% KO rate.

[SteveM]

Cue all the people talking about how Inoue is fighting bums when he's already beaten the #1 Fulton, #2 Tapales, #4 Nery, #5 Goodman pulled out of the fight 3 times, #6 Picasso pulled out since his daddy said he wasn't ready, he crushed #7 Doheny, so we're on to #8 Cardenas. #3 MJ is coming up in September, because I guess Top Rank doesn't think a former unified champ is a good enough opponent for US fans. Seriously though, that's a thoroughly cleaned division.

Only people saying he is fighting bums are either casuals, trolls or both.

[MulaKO]

Only people saying he is fighting bums are either casuals, trolls or both.

My thinking , the cause of this is this being the lower classes of fighting
Plus the fights being on at 5 in the morning in eastern time doesn’t help either

[crimsonfalcon07]

My thinking , the cause of this is this being the lower classes of fighting
Plus the fights being on at 5 in the morning in eastern time doesn’t help either

They still said that when he was free on ESPN fighting in Vegas on US prime time...

Personally, I tend to see a lot more skills (as in, nameable, specific skills and techniques from the sweet science) on display in the lighter divisions than in the heavier ones. Obviously there's exceptions. But when was the last time you saw someone above middleweight with footwork like a Lomachenko or Bam Rodriguez? Look at the difference between fights like Estrada v Chocolatito 1 and 2, in which they threw over 2500 punches combined per fight, and Arreola v Kownacki, which I think is the heavyweight record holder.

I could be very much off base, but when I'm doing technical breakdowns of fights, I usually find a lot more nuance in many of the lighter weight divisions, where at the heavier weights, power makes a much bigger equalizer. I think that's likely because power is directly tied to mass, but durability doesn't scale evenly as weight and height increase. If you just want to watch some dudes beating the fugh out of each other, I concede the appeal in the heavier divisions. But if you're in it for beautiful displays of the sweet science, and you don't watch the lighter divisions, you're missing out. I've never really understood the "real men are bigger" argument. It's not you, so who cares what size some other guy is? Why does that stop you from being able to appreciate a skilled contest?

Assuming Inoue doesn't have trouble with Cardenas or MJ, after the MJ fight, I do want to see him take on Junto or move up to 126 if he doesn't retire. 122 will be completely cleaned out of credible opponents (and I no longer include Sam Goodman in that list) by the end of the year if he wins those fights. Really IMO just MJ is the last threat.

[MulaKO]

They still said that when he was free on ESPN fighting in Vegas on US prime time...

Personally, I tend to see a lot more skills (as in, nameable, specific skills and techniques from the sweet science) on display in the lighter divisions than in the heavier ones. Obviously there's exceptions. But when was the last time you saw someone above middleweight with footwork like a Lomachenko or Bam Rodriguez? Look at the difference between fights like Estrada v Chocolatito 1 and 2, in which they threw over 2500 punches combined per fight, and Arreola v Kownacki, which I think is the heavyweight record holder.

I could be very much off base, but when I'm doing technical breakdowns of fights, I usually find a lot more nuance in many of the lighter weight divisions, where at the heavier weights, power makes a much bigger equalizer. I think that's likely because power is directly tied to mass, but durability doesn't scale evenly as weight and height increase. If you just want to watch some dudes beating the fugh out of each other, I concede the appeal in the heavier divisions. But if you're in it for beautiful displays of the sweet science, and you don't watch the lighter divisions, you're missing out. I've never really understood the "real men are bigger" argument. It's not you, so who cares what size some other guy is? Why does that stop you from being able to appreciate a skilled contest?

Assuming Inoue doesn't have trouble with Cardenas or MJ, after the MJ fight, I do want to see him take on Junto or move up to 126 if he doesn't retire. 122 will be completely cleaned out of credible opponents (and I no longer include Sam Goodman in that list) by the end of the year if he wins those fights. Really IMO just MJ is the last threat.

The lighter divisions actually bring out the boxing so to say
I totally agree that watching t the smaller guys , I find it easier to see the beauty that boxing really is
Not sure if it’s the flow or what but you can really see what has been added to an arsenal and what adjustments came with it

Finally , yeah I can hardly wait for the Junto fight
That will be something special
Hoping more than less people get to see that and realize wheat the smaller divisions are about

[Corelone]

Cue all the people talking about how Inoue is fighting bums when he's already beaten the #1 Fulton, #2 Tapales, #4 Nery, #5 Goodman pulled out of the fight 3 times, #6 Picasso pulled out since his daddy said he wasn't ready, he crushed #7 Doheny, so we're on to #8 Cardenas. #3 MJ is coming up in September, because I guess Top Rank doesn't think a former unified champ is a good enough opponent for US fans. Seriously though, that's a thoroughly cleaned division.

In which one if these fights was Inoue the underdog? Which one was a challenge for him and not the other guy? What are the odds on Cardoner? If he is that good why is he spinning his wheels?

[crimsonfalcon07]

In which one if these fights was Inoue the underdog? Which one was a challenge for him and not the other guy? What are the odds on Cardoner? If he is that good why is he spinning his wheels?

He's fought the best guy in his divisional debut 3 times already. No tuneups, just straight to the best guy. He was usually just a slight favorite going into those fights because you never know how someone will handle the weight. Vs Fulton, for instance, he opened at -270 vs +200. After he crushes the best guy in the division in his debut at the weight, he's naturally going to be the huge favorite. Which makes this a narrative that I honestly thought you'd be better than.

When someone is the favorite for their whole career, while taking on guys who were higher ranked (Taguchi #9, Inoue unranked; Hernandez #4, Inoue #9; Narváez #1, Inoue unranked; McDonnell either #1 or #2, Inoue unranked; Fulton #1, Inoue unranked), that should tell you that they're not a cherry picker.

The guys he's missed did it to themselves. Chocolatito is on record ducking him, after which point he got knocked out and then tied up the entire top 4 in rematches. Casimero lost his belt to a sauna. Goodman took an unnecessary interim fight, got injured, and then kept getting "injured." Picasso's dad pulled the plug because "he's not ready for Inoue".

Trying to pull the "but he's been the favorite" card when the guy has been fighting the best his whole career? Come on now. No other active boxer has fought guys at the world champion level for half their career like Inoue. I don't know that there's EVER been a guy who's taken on a higher percentage of champs and ranked opponents in their careers. The guys who weren't ranked by independent organizations were either mandatories or replacements for mandatories til now.

[boxingitis]

Only people saying he is fighting bums are either casuals, trolls or both.

Or have preference for other Nationalities(race)