Floyd Rewatching Marquez-Pacquiao IV

[daggum]

Geez, old stuff to be arguing about. Floyd and Manny fought once and Floyd won, not in spectacular fashion but he won comfortably.

Manny and JMM fought 4 times. Record books have it 1 draw, 2 decision victories for Manny and one KO win for JMM. The first 3 fights had controversial decisions that could have gone either way. Both fighters have been accused of steroid usage yet both have never tested positive. Both Manny and JMM are boxing greats and have victories against each other.

Manny and JMM have always been respectful with their words towards each other yet fanboys are always the ones crying about this or that and hurling insults at both champs unable to cope with their hero's loss or losses.

Though Manny is revered and loved by more people than Floyd might be, Floyd beat Manny the night they fought each other. All 3 fighters are Hall of Famers and their accomplishments and victories are sealed and set.

Respect the sport you love and respect every fighter who has stepped in the ring....

manny landed most of the clean hard punches in the fight. floyd landed mostly grazing jabs(definitionally not a clean punch if its grazing) i dont see what people are saying when they say he won easily or comfortably, if you watch it back the quality is just not there for floyd. people seem to say he shut manny down or neutralized him or something to that affect which is true compared to some of mannys other fights but you should be judging what happened in the manny vs floyd fight not comparing manny to past manny performances.

watch rounds 3,7, or 8 for example. pac landing hard clean shots rocking floyds head around, hard body shots, floyd landing a couple jabs. all those went to floyd? makes no sense. the quality was so slanted in pacs favor i dont really see how you can say floyd deserved them? he landed fewer clean punches and pacs were much harder. oh wait compubox says...complete sh-it.

[HisExcellency]

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manny started at 108 because he went pro as a 16 year old kid thus destroying all of your argument. Ofc he was going to be tiny

Superior my arse. manny took only TWO rounds 4th and 6th against Floyd

and manny got knocked out by Marquez and schooled by him before

In addition to losing to Jeff Horn And Timmeh Bradley since you’re now counting robberies are victories

yet manny could only take 2 rounds when Floyd gave him a boxing lesson

Lmao...Floyd went pro aged 19yo at Super Featherweight whereas Manny was STILL fighting at Flyweight as a 20yo thus destroying your argument.

Also, your scorecards for both Manny & Mayweather's fights are BOTH delusional & hilarious...no wonder you refuse to participate in Pick 'Em!

Tale of the tape...

1. Pacquiao started his career at Light Flyweight (108lbs) whereas Mayweather began fighting at Super Featherweight (130lbs)
2. Pacquiao is an 8 division world champion (vs. 5 for Mayweather)
3. Pacquiao is a 4 decade world champion (vs. 3 decades for Mayweather)
4. Pacquiao dethroned 30yo undefeated, heavily avoided power puncher Thurman for the WBA Welterweight title despite being 40yo (a risk Mayweather wouldn't DARE take)

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

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manny landed most of the clean hard punches in the fight. floyd landed mostly grazing jabs(definitionally not a clean punch if its grazing) i dont see what people are saying when they say he won easily or comfortably, if you watch it back the quality is just not there for floyd. people seem to say he shut manny down or neutralized him or something to that affect which is true compared to some of mannys other fights but you should be judging what happened in the manny vs floyd fight not comparing manny to past manny performances.

watch rounds 3,7, or 8 for example. pac landing hard clean shots rocking floyds head around, hard body shots, floyd landing a couple jabs. all those went to floyd? makes no sense. the quality was so slanted in pacs favor i dont really see how you can say floyd deserved them? he landed fewer clean punches and pacs were much harder. oh wait compubox says...complete sh-it. [/QUOTE



If your argument is that Manny landed the hardest punches of the fight, I'll agree with you. If your argument is that Many controlled most of the rounds or scored with the most punches to face and body to win most rounds, I'll disagree with you.

I'm a fan of both because I love the sport. I think Floyd is the better boxer, but I believe Manny gave us the better and more exciting fights. If I was hosting a party and was gonna order a fight, I'd pay for a Manny fight over a Floyd fight. If was gonna be home alone to study a fight or to be mesmerized by ring brilliance I'd pay for a Floyd fight.

Both are great but fought differently. I'm not gonna disrespect Manny nor Floyd as they're both Hall of Famers who dedicated themselves to the sport that I love..

[Haka]

Prime for prime fights that happened: Jmm vs Pac. Prime for prime fights that didn't happen: prime Mosley in 1999, 2006, Tszyu, undefeated Cotto, Margarito, Kell Brook, Pwilliams.

Best parts of Floyd resume consist of a drained 130 Corrales and a win versus Castillo who had 4 losses already and a win against Hatton at 147 in Vegas with help of Cortez, instead of 140 in Manchester with a random ref.

[HisExcellency]

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manny started at 108 because he went pro as a 16 year old kid thus destroying all of your argument. Ofc he was going to be tiny

Superior my arse. manny took only TWO rounds 4th and 6th against Floyd

and manny got knocked out by Marquez and schooled by him before

In addition to losing to Jeff Horn And Timmeh Bradley since you’re now counting robberies are victories

yet manny could only take 2 rounds when Floyd gave him a boxing lesson

Bro...I respect your boxing acumen as usually you're SPOT ON but you're getting too emotional and 'T'Kittyish' about this!

At the end of the day, both Mayweather and Pacquiao are GREAT HoF fighter's and easily the 2 best of their era. However, the fact that Pacquiao started his career at a much lower weight class (by 22lbs) and went on to conquer more divisions (8 vs. 5) in addition to being the only 4 decade world champion in the HISTORY of the sport PROVES he's the better fighter in my opinion. Those are irrefutable FACTS. Let's not forget the massive risk he took as a 40yo to face an undefeated, avoided, power puncher in Thurman in his prime which is something Floyd would NEVER do.

Anyhow, my opinion might be skewed because I'm a fan of pressure fighter's like Pacquiao who see the KO as opposed to pure boxer's like Mayweather (although I appreciate his perfect technique and defensive wizardry).

Anyhow, each to their own!

[TheProudLunatic]

Lol NONE of that changes the fact that Marquez looked roided to the gills in the fourth fight and was working with a WELL KNOWN steroid distributor during that camp! Also, in case you didn't know, the first fight was incorrectly scored a draw because one idiotic judge added up his scorecard incorrectly. Had he done his job properly, Pacquiao would've been awarded the victory. Look it up!

Re Pacquiao and drug testing, he's NEVER failed a drugs test throughout his career and is a clean-living, devout Christian. End of story.

As for Mayweather, there's absolutely NO way in hell that he has a better resume than Pacquiao. Also, let's not forget that he's the king of cherry-picking e.g. fought Canelo when he was green and weight drained at a catchweight, fought Marquez when he was weight drained at a catchweight (but came in HIGHER himself ), fought Mosley when he was 33yo and already had 5 losses and almost got sent to the MOON, cheated to beat Ortiz by taking advantage of his sportsmanship, fought Oscar when he already had 4 losses who even his DADDY thought he lost too (), fought Pacquiao when he was WAY past his best and old (38) and had already been brutally KO'd by PED user Marquez instead of in his prime a decade ago when he was dangerous. I could go on and on.

Also, let's not forget that being the Vegas cash cow (and Haymon's star fighter), he's been protected throughout his career including having knockdowns against him NOT counted and losses against him NOT counted either (e.g. Castillo 1, DLH (his own DADDY thought he lost), Maidana 1 etc).

In comparison, Pacquiao is a world champion in 8 weight classes (vs. 5 for Mayweather), 4 decade world champion (vs. 3 for Mayweather) and dropped and popped Thurman's cherry (and took his belt) when he was a 30yo, undefeated, heavily avoided power puncher despite being 40yo himself. That's a risk Mayweather wouldn't DARE take!

TBE my (_!_)

"LOOKED like" !!!
WarPac too shook to take RANDOM blood tests
Pac has been KTFO multiple times before fighting May
Please tell me they would have KO'd May as well

Tell me which of these Pac opponents would have troubled May -
A statue named Clottey
Cotto Lite (May beat the superior version)
Shot DLH (May beat the superior version)
Baby Margarito
Toothless Algieri
Broner
Vargas
Lucas
A shot caveman named Margarito
Supershot Mosley (May beat the superior version)
Hitme Hatton (May did it 1st)
JMM (Don't make me laugh)
HORN (CPGW....Don't make me laugh)
Timmy (poor man's May ...FOH)
Basic AF Ugas
Sometime (The only mug on the list that Pac Bois can hang their hat on)

As for cheerypicking, 98% of Pac's resume is cheeries.

Add into the fact May beat Pac ............

[TheProudLunatic]

Prime for prime fights that happened: Jmm vs Pac. Prime for prime fights that didn't happen: prime Mosley in 1999, 2006, Tszyu, undefeated Cotto, Margarito, Kell Brook, Pwilliams.

Best parts of Floyd resume consist of a drained 130 Corrales and a win versus Castillo who had 4 losses already and a win against Hatton at 147 in Vegas with help of Cortez, instead of 140 in Manchester with a random ref.

I'm a huge JMM fan but let's not kid ourselves....No version of him beats the worst version of May. That's just a hater's fantasy.
May fought Mosley before Pac did, so that's a wash
May beat the better version of Cotto
The version Pac didn't want to fight
Margarito, Brook, Williams
Of those names maybe Paul has the best chance.
Tszyu, meh. See JMM.

May's resume destroys Pac's
Pac Bois love to mention Erik and Marco
The perfect Pac opp.
Slow, plodding, face first types.
May eats them up without breaking a sweat.

Pac has been beaten too many times for it to be worth bragging over.
HORN (CPGW) for God's sake !!!!!

[TheProudLunatic]

Jmm said pac best of era. Maybe if floyd best jmm 3 times like pac did, and floyds resume was as great as pacs was, and more titles in 6 divisions and as old as pac win titles, then jm m might rate floyd a bit more highly

Pac is the only guy who struggled with JMM.
Most notable guys didn't need a rematch to show who's superior.

[TheProudLunatic]

Bro...I respect your boxing acumen as usually you're SPOT ON but you're getting too emotional and 'T'Kittyish' about this!

At the end of the day, both Mayweather and Pacquiao are GREAT HoF fighter's and easily the 2 best of their era. However, the fact that Pacquiao started his career at a much lower weight class (by 22lbs) and went on to conquer more divisions (8 vs. 5) in addition to being the only 4 decade world champion in the HISTORY of the sport PROVES he's the better fighter in my opinion. Those are irrefutable FACTS. Let's not forget the massive risk he took as a 40yo to face an undefeated, avoided, power puncher in Thurman in his prime which is something Floyd would NEVER do.

Anyhow, my opinion might be skewed because I'm a fan of pressure fighter's like Pacquiao who see the KO as opposed to pure boxer's like Mayweather (although I appreciate his perfect technique and defensive wizardry).

Anyhow, each to their own!

Pac fans love to mention accolades without mentioning names
Why is that.......

[hugh grant]

Pac is the only guy who struggled with JMM.
Most notable guys didn't need a rematch to show who's superior.

What are you on about? Pac wouldn't need no rematch with maidena or castillo, or dlh. But he would've given dlh one. I mean, he was willing to give barrera one, and cotto.
floyd not giving rematches count s against floyd. Letting people imaginations run wild in how floyd would lose badly in rematch against dlh, pac and nelo