Comments Thread For: Gervonta Davis-Lamont Roach to remain a draw as NYSAC declines to overturn decision

[KING.TUT.766]

Referee's never face punishment. The ref from the Abner mares fight that let 100 low blows go didn't get punished. Blow Joe Cortez didn't get punished for not disqualifying froid against jab zudah and this. Refs never get held responsible.

Hell it Was in New York when that ref was saving hankey from a Ryan KO. Nysac is trash just as every other crooked commision

Best thing is public shaming in the post fight interview on why they did a shlt job if even that then everyone goes about their day.

Saving Devin from a Ryan KO how? And that was a Golden Boy event so that makes even less sense.

[KING.TUT.766]

You know what? I don't think the ref is really at fault...Let me explain... Ok he made a bad call, shiat happens. But the rule steps in and overrules the ref's bad judgement. The rule being: when a fighter takes a knee and goes to his corner without the ref first sanctionng the time out, it is an automatic DQ.

I mean this is easy to fix! It is not like when Sven Ottke had his German ref that would constantly do crazy shiat to help Otke.

The auto reply should have been working, it should have been determined Tank broke the rules and was DQ'ed... The ref may have been confused, ok... But the rules protect everybody when and only when they are followed.

Bro he started counting and then stopped, he's at fault too

[billeau2]

Bro he started counting and then stopped, he's at fault too

You are correct... I should have said that the ref's mistakes were imo not horrible provided the rules were followed. Sometimes a football ref makes a bad call, I remember the golden age of football in the 80's when refs made lots of bad calls! So they came out with instant replay. Sometimes a ref just got it wrong... and other refs tried to control games with bad calls, instant replay and the official rule book took care of some of these calls. I did notice a few ****** calls in the superbowl this year lol.

This ref made a judgement call that was wrong. He probably got caught off guard, maybe he just wasn't knowlegable enough to figure out how the rules applied... But his call need not have been so bad if the rules overruled him.

I think he confused the order of operations: The fighter ASKS for a time out. It is not the same as TAKING a time out and then asking... Thats my feeling about it.

[Grandma Lover]

Saving Devin from a Ryan KO how? And that was a Golden Boy event so that makes even less sense.

Giving him extra time. It was a golden boy/matchroom event

[steeve steel]

Anyone surprised? *sound of crickets

[TintaBoricua]

You are correct... I should have said that the ref's mistakes were imo not horrible provided the rules were followed. Sometimes a football ref makes a bad call, I remember the golden age of football in the 80's when refs made lots of bad calls! So they came out with instant replay. Sometimes a ref just got it wrong... and other refs tried to control games with bad calls, instant replay and the official rule book took care of some of these calls. I did notice a few ****** calls in the superbowl this year lol.

This ref made a judgement call that was wrong. He probably got caught off guard, maybe he just wasn't knowlegable enough to figure out how the rules applied... But his call need not have been so bad if the rules overruled him.

I think he confused the order of operations: The fighter ASKS for a time out. It is not the same as TAKING a time out and then asking... Thats my feeling about it.

I like Willis. I think, in the mind of ANY self-respecting elite referee, it’s generally a STRONG GUIDELINE for a referee to let the fighters work and not be the focus of a fight.

I think that the ref was looking at the fight that the fight might be close (slightly in Roach’s favor) and in the heat of the moment did not want to be the reason why a fight is decided if he had called it a knockdown. The irony is that, in doing omitting it, he quite possibly made the fight a draw.

What round was it by the way? And who won that round? Cause if Tank won that round, then Tank probably nicks it. I’m guessing by many people’s reaction, Roach won that round and would’ve gotten more distance from Tank with the knockdown.

Woulda’, coulda’, shoulda’…

There’s no denying that a lot of things went wrong. Tank taking a knee, Tank turning his back, the cornermen running up on the apron, the commission not acting on the replay, the commission denying Roach’s appeal, etc.

In looking at this situation, I honestly don’t think I, or others, would’ve made such a fuss if it weren’t for the fact that the knockdown was a critical piece in determining the victor. Also, playing devil’s advocate…

If we want to go strictly by the rules and be consistent, if one were to call Tank’s knockdown and be “unequivocally” by the rules, you’d have to put a loss in Floyd Mayweather’s column over his uncle Roger’s blow-up in the Zab Judah fight.

I wasn’t on these boards back in 2006 when that fight happened, but I can imagine there MUST’VE been a very vocal segment calling for a Zab Judah win via disqualification.

[SlyB33r]

Thomas Taylor is the only active referee that should be reffing big fights imo. Everyone else can kick rocks. Sucks he can't do NY sanctioned fights.

[billeau2]

I like Willis. I think, in the mind of ANY self-respecting elite referee, it’s generally a STRONG GUIDELINE for a referee to let the fighters work and not be the focus of a fight.

I think that the ref was looking at the fight that the fight might be close (slightly in Roach’s favor) and in the heat of the moment did not want to be the reason why a fight is decided if he had called it a knockdown. The irony is that, in doing omitting it, he quite possibly made the fight a draw.

What round was it by the way? And who won that round? Cause if Tank won that round, then Tank probably nicks it. I’m guessing by many people’s reaction, Roach won that round and would’ve gotten more distance from Tank with the knockdown.

Woulda’, coulda’, shoulda’…

There’s no denying that a lot of things went wrong. Tank taking a knee, Tank turning his back, the cornermen running up on the apron, the commission not acting on the replay, the commission denying Roach’s appeal, etc.

In looking at this situation, I honestly don’t think I, or others, would’ve made such a fuss if it weren’t for the fact that the knockdown was a critical piece in determining the victor. Also, playing devil’s advocate…

If we want to go strictly by the rules and be consistent, if one were to call Tank’s knockdown and be “unequivocally” by the rules, you’d have to put a loss in Floyd Mayweather’s column over his uncle Roger’s blow-up in the Zab Judah fight.

I wasn’t on these boards back in 2006 when that fight happened, but I can imagine there MUST’VE been a very vocal segment calling for a Zab Judah win via disqualification.

There is a legal principle stating that one should consider the totality of all factors/circumstances when making a judgement. State of mind? context? etc etc...

In a boxing match where a fight breaks out and a ref decides to mitigate the punishment there may be legit reasons: Zab and Floyd were competitors and had a history of heat in the ring. The confrontation did not really materially affect the fight, or fighters... A ref has a right to look at this type situation as a totality of circumstances and determine it was not germane to the match, but rather an external event.

In the Tank Roach fight the knee was very much an effect of something that occurred in the ring. Roach was deprived of continuing his attack because of the knee. Since we cannot ever know what thoughts each combatant had... we have to look at the critical evidence to determine whether a situation was germane to the match. There is a history of seconds getting involved during a match, and when the combat is mutual, not instigated to prevent one combatant from gaining a fair advantage, I believe a ref can look at the totality of circumstances and judge the episode to be inconsequential.

On the other hand precisely because we cannot know Tank's state of mind, or Roache's during this sequence, we cannot make a judgement as to the effect Roache's attack had on Tank. This is why this is a straight forward DQ, at least how I see it. We know that Tank's actions caused Roach to yield with no consent from the ref until after the action was initiated.

[champion4ever]

You see! I knew it! The NYSAC wasn't about to second guess and overturn their own professional, licensed and certified referee. By impugning both his integrity, competence and judgement for his call on Gervonta Davis' actions.

Remember that the referee is the key and most central figure in a prizefight. Obviously, in his judgement; He felt that Tank didn't take the knee on purpose or out of desperate display of gamesmanship.

in order to avoid punishment or attempting to buy himself some extra time to recover. Which was probably the reason why he gave Davis only a stern warning rather penalizing him.

One must understand that the referee is granted very broad authority and discretion when he is enforcing the rules inside of that boxing ring. He could have done one of five things.

Either give Davis a standing eight count, deduct a point, disqualify Tank. Rule it a TKO because Gervonta turned his back away from his opponent Lamont Roach. Which typically reflects a sign that a fighter is quitting or checking out.

However, he can also issue a very stern warning as he did. The bottom line is; Whatever call a referee decides to make while enforcing the rules inside of that squared circle stands.

[MrShakeAndBake]

I actually never watch any boxing event from PBC in NYC for this specific reason , THEY ARE ALL CROOKED AS BARRELIL OF SNAKES
I like whatt Saudis have to offer instead...